Current Affairs The General Election

Voting Intentions

  • Labour

    Votes: 209 61.1%
  • Tories

    Votes: 30 8.8%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 20 5.8%
  • Brexit Gubbins

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • Greens

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Change UK, if that's their current moniker

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • DUP

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 2.6%
  • Alliance

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Some fringe party with a catchy name

    Votes: 7 2.0%
  • A plague on all your houses

    Votes: 32 9.4%

  • Total voters
    342
  • Poll closed .
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Saw QT last night and was left absolutely gobsmacked at Labour getting the blame for austerity and the Labour guy just sat there and nodded, the same happened with Corbyn at the leaders debate.

It's like Lehman Bros never went bust, there was NO sub-prime mortgage scandal, none of what happened in Trump land affected us over here and we never actually handed over 137 billion to the banks...........moooove along now, nothing to see here, nothing to do with banking at all.

If Labour are not willing to defend this point I am starting to think they don't deserve to be in power.

Corbyn/Momentum don't see New Labour as Labour. They are separate entities. He and Momentum think it's in their interests that New Labour are blamed for everything, because it further erodes at the memory of it and reinforces the Labour that exists now.

They aren't interested at being in power nationally - if it happens it's a happy coincidence for them. They're only interested in having their ideology rock solid and ingrained through the Labour party.
 
Corbyn/Momentum don't see New Labour as Labour. They are separate entities. He and Momentum think it's in their interests that New Labour are blamed for everything, because it further erodes at the memory of it and reinforces the Labour that exists now.

They aren't interested at being in power nationally - if it happens it's a happy coincidence for them. They're only interested in having their ideology rock solid and ingrained through the Labour party.

Why didn't New Labour (Harriet Harman) actually put a defence of their record when she was temporary leader?
 
Yes. Why didn't she or Labour put a proper defence?

Labour have been too timid full stop on the problem.Many of New Labour agree with the premise they were to blame for not punishing poor people enough.

i suspect they did and it didnt work, they were just unlucky being in power at that point...if the tories were in power labour and everyone else would have been hammering them
 
Labour are putting up Corporation Tax to 26% which will go a long way to funding the manifesto, and all the businesses are going to leave say the Tory party and supporting media.

Where they going to move to?, Hungary?.

Italy 27.8, France 34.4, Germany 29.8, Spain 25%

Labours proposal of 26% is pretty damn reasonable ain't it compared to the rest of the EU.

See through the Tory lies people, be careful.
The pledge to set up a generic drug company and break patents for life-saving medicines would seriously have chem / biotech companies stampeding out of the UK (chemical industry been one of the strongest, most creative and highest performing UK sectors since WWII, so we're not talking about a niche industry here). IP is the one main reason why China and India haven't completely swallowed us all up in this area as they do not respect it.

I don't seriously think labour would do this, no one is that clueless. But the fact they're prepared to roll it out as posturing material for a manifesto is undermining - the antithesis of the real, thoughtful policy change they're trying to champion.
 
How much do MPs and cabinet ministers get paid thesedays?

£80k for an MP
£100k MP on select committees
£140k for Cabinet Minister
£150k for Prime Minister


Is this correct?
 
How much do MPs and cabinet ministers get paid thesedays?

£80k for an MP
£100k MP on select committees
£140k for Cabinet Minister
£150k for Prime Minister


Is this correct?

Thats basic. Lots of expenses on top of this, plus access to heavily reduced facilities with the palace of Westminster. Lots will sit on boards, take lobby money too etc.

Being an MP is a means to an ends.
 
This is a fair point, but sadly, in today's media environment, the manifesto is just about the only thing that makes the headlines, and virtually the only time the media stops talking about Czech conspiracy plots, or appropriate posture, or the pronunciation of 'Epstein' long enough to cover actual policy ideas.

In an age of widespread cynicism and disengagement - another 'Third Way' gift that keeps on giving - boldness is the only way to get most people to take notice, and to signal that your party is different, and serious. Marginal tweaks to boutique tax credits do not resonate with people on overlapping zero-hours contract jobs trying to raise children. It is unfortunate that that's the world we live in now, but that ship has long since sailed - and not on the left's watch.

Labour's manifesto is a gamble, to be sure, but it is a calculated one, whereas the failure of more timid and insipid centrism is certain. If Labour loses again, it will likewise be due more than anything else to Brexit - Leavers are united, Remains aren't. But, the notion that once again handing everything back over to the geniuses who came up with this will produce better results is far more delusional and utopian than anything the Labour left has come up with.

And (in the manner of Thatcher hailing Blair), Labour is winning the war even if it loses the battle (not that that's an acceptable outcome, mind). The Liberal Democrats have promised to both tax and spend more than Labour did in 2017, and there is not a Kopite's-odds-of-modesty in Javid's budget coming into being without Corbyn having put the almighty fear of god into them.

The difference is that precisely because of messaging which upsets centrist sensibilities, target voters - whatever they think of Corbyn - all actually believe that he will sincerely try to deliver, whereas the other two have no credibility whatsoever, now that chickens of taking 'left behind' voters for granted have come home to rest.


I don't tend to dip my toe in political threads generally, I lurk more often than not whilst keeping to the football and read as an observer.

I like your analysis above and some other contributions of yours if I may say so, concise and eloquently put.

I have had articles published (sports-related) in a national newspaper years ago, not long after my university days but never took things further due to a somewhat contradictory combination of busyness and laziness.

You might have a flair for comment-piece writing? (just saying from one anonymous poster to another on an internet forum, so not at all being patronizing).

Being an avid reader, I have come across many who get published regularly for much less.
 
It'll be interesting to see how that breaks down into constituencies. No good having a lead like that if the target seats dont fall.

Also, it'll be interesting to see how much the parties representing 53% of the electorate who dont Johnson's deal / hard Brexit stack their constituency wins up.

it will all come out in the wash.....
 
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