Current Affairs The General Election

[Eggs]

I do and enablers like yourself agmonst others.

Labour walked away from main stream media some time ago for good reason, for the same reasons Swinson has found out, (ha ha ha). It pained them to have Corbyn on last night and it was rigged for Johnson Brexit mantra for 30 min. Like I said yesterday in another post, face to face social media...That's where Labour strategies are at.

....every Labour representative should mention the Conservative record when interviewed by the media. There’s enough facts for them to cherry pick and gnaw away at. Every Labour Party Political Broadcast should emphasise it. Of course there’s media bias, but Labour should exploit air time they get.

Labour are strategically poor, blaming the media for everything will see them in the wilderness for a very long time.

 

[zzr45]

I do and enablers like yourself agmonst others.

Labour walked away from main stream media some time ago for good reason, for the same reasons Swinson has found out, (ha ha ha). It pained them to have Corbyn on last night and it was rigged for Johnson Brexit mantra for 30 min. Like I said yesterday in another post, face to face social media...That's where Labour strategies are at.

Walked away from mainstream media? Despite Labour front benchers and Corbyn himself appearing on the myriad of BBC, ITV, C4, Sky News and radio shows?

Perhaps you need to make sure Labour have got your memo that they don’t appear in the mainstream media.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

....every Labour representative should mention the Conservative record when interviewed by the media. There’s enough facts for them to cherry pick and gnaw away at. Every Labour Party Political Broadcast should emphasise it. Of course there’s media bias, but Labour should exploit air time they get.

Labour are strategically poor, blaming the media for everything will see them in the wilderness for a very long time.

Old duffer's media, free and fair it most definitely is not.

If Labour did that they would get shouted down by the interviewer, we ask the the questions, you answer, blah blah...

Corbyn and co don't invite them to fine wine dinners, he most definitely not Blair, those days are long over, thankfully.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Walked away from mainstream media? Despite Labour front benchers and Corbyn himself appearing on the myriad of BBC, ITV, C4, Sky News and radio shows?

Perhaps you need to make sure Labour have got your memo that they don’t appear in the mainstream media.

Be odd for them not to, it's a case of if we have too. ITV on Tuesday night at 8, unless it's football can't remember when I last tuned in. I have no idea who the presenter was, same with BBC Channel 4 and SKY who?

 

[Eggs]

Old duffer's media, free and fair it most definitely is not.

If Labour did that they would get shouted down by the interviewer, we ask the the questions, you answer, blah blah...

Corbyn and co don't invite them to fine wine dinners, he most definitely not Blair, those days are long over, thankfully.

...ha, ha, they need to be clever and continually make the points. Don’t blame the media, exploit it. NHS stats, child poverty, food banks, Johnson and ERG delaying May Brexit, Prorogation (all of them making Churchillian speeches during the leadership contest then supporting it when it happened).

I think Labour are daft when it comes to strategy, there’s so much ammunition for them to exploit.

 

[orchard]

Walked away from mainstream media? Despite Labour front benchers and Corbyn himself appearing on the myriad of BBC, ITV, C4, Sky News and radio shows?

Perhaps you need to make sure Labour have got your memo that they don’t appear in the mainstream media.

He didn't say they were hiding in a wheelie-bin ffs. I think what he's making is an intended contradistinction between current Labour and New Labour.

Cross-party comparisons between positive and negative media coverage during the ongoing purdah are available from all good websites.

 

[orchard]

...ha, ha, they need to be clever and continually make the points. Don’t blame the media, exploit it. NHS stats, child poverty, food banks, Johnson and ERG delaying May Brexit, Prorogation (all of them making Churchillian speeches during the leadership contest then supporting it when it happened).

I think Labour are daft when it comes to strategy, there’s so much ammunition for them to exploit.

How are they going to get it across, and through sacrificing what? And how much will be rationalised as 'fake-news'?

 

[Eggs]

How are they going to get it across, and through sacrificing what? And how much will be rationalised as 'fake-news'?

...I can’t see how NHS, social care et al can be rationalised as fake news when the stats are there to support them. Indeed, if it is contested, it opens up the debate to the ground you want to be in. Have a look at Matt Hancock talking against Prorogation during the leadership debate and then how he supported it as a Health Secretary. What does that say about values and principle.

Since the growth of media over the last 50 years, politicians rarely answer the question they’re asked. Just continually make the point.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

...ha, ha, they need to be clever and continually make the points. Don’t blame the media, exploit it. NHS stats, child poverty, food banks, Johnson and ERG delaying May Brexit, Prorogation (all of them making Churchillian speeches during the leadership contest then supporting it when it happened).

I think Labour are daft when it comes to strategy, there’s so much ammunition for them to exploit.

Goes back to @rammaca post, the main stream media and small conservatives wont talk about 29 000 that had Corbyn ahead they will want to talk about 1600, that marginally had Johnson ahead... And that's it a nutshell. Judging how quite it is in here, the small conservatives had bad night sleep...

ITV's political correspondent asked after the debate, 'who won"?, over 29 000 responded with 78% saying Corbyn. By this morning it's 'a Johnson win' claims all and sundry. Must have got their information from this new 'fact checker' organisation set up yesterday

Cross-party comparisons between positive and negative media coverage during the ongoing purdah are available from all good websites.

Indeed, those media outlets are awful, cronyism and crony capitalism at its most worst.

 

[orchard]

...I can’t see how NHS, social care et al can be rationalised as fake news when the stats are there to support them. Indeed, if it is contested, it opens up the debate to the ground you want to be in. Have a look at Matt Hancock talking against Prorogation during the leadership debate and then how he supported it as a Health Secretary. What does that say about values and principle.

Since the growth of media over the last 50 years, politicians rarely answer the question they’re asked. Just continually make the point.

...I can’t see how NHS, social care et al can be rationalised as fake news when the stats are there to support them. Indeed, if it is contested, it opens up the debate to the ground you want to be in. Have a look at Matt Hancock talking against Prorogation during the leadership debate and then how he supported it as a Health Secretary. What does that say about values and principle.

Since the growth of media over the last 50 years, politicians rarely answer the question they’re asked. Just continually make the point.

Like you say, there's loads of ammunition, but a restricted bandwidth to get any message across to the public, and even then it's subject to being distorted or clouded.

Don't underestimate how readily some duffers now convince themselves that something's fake news, it's truly shocking.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Like you say, there's loads of ammunition, but a restricted bandwidth to get any message across to the public, and even then it's subject to being distorted or clouded.

Don't underestimate how readily some duffers now convince themselves that something's fake news, it's truly shocking.

The narrative of Truth and Trust will be much bigger, the Conservative being fact checker yesterday evening for a time is having some coverage, BBC must have listened to my dulcet tone on 03700 100 222.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Didn't watch the debate, but it sounds like Corbyn easily won.

There was no outright winner Dave, what it was though was two losers on show.

 

[davek]

Remember the fellow being interviewed in a vox pop who was told he might not get any insulin for his diabetes if there was a No Deal Brexit and he just shouted “I don’t care”.

That's right yeah.

Tens of thousands think like that. It's frightening. It's mass hysteria.

 

[davek]

There was no outright winner Dave, what it was though was two losers on show.

Well, there was never going to be an outright winner. It's not as if one of them or their connections were ever going to concede that, or that the media were going to give Corbyn any favourable verdict. It's down to the beholder. I watched a British PM being howled at when he stated he would tell the truth. That is about the most significant moment of the hour.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

There was no outright winner Dave, what it was though was two losers on show.

Who won on truth and trust?