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[tsubaki]

decent from mcdonnell- 95% wont pay more tax, working towards 32 hour week...good headline announcments

No doubt the usual suspects are probably scrambling around to find the one policy they don’t agree with before going off on one.

 

[Charro]

Anybody that cares about workers rights, and the importance of the Unions should be in favour of the McDonalds strike.

People are just seeing the £15 ab hour headline and ignoring the real reason they're on strike.

Poor working conditions, unsecure hours, poverty wages, and bullying management across the board (I personally know someone who has been victim of this behaviour)

A Mcdonalds worker in London earns £8.80 an hour. That's not a living wage in London, it's barely a living wage anywhere in the U.K.

They have every right to go on strike, look beyond the £15 an hour headline.

 

[neil999]

No doubt the usual suspects are probably scrambling around to find the one policy they don’t agree with before going off on one.

i think mcdonnell is a bit more savvy than he gets credit for

 

[tsubaki]

i think mcdonnell is a bit more savvy than he gets credit for

Or the Stalin to Corbyn’s Lenin, as Pete (who is probably some form of exiled Russian aristo in Paris in this analogy) would possibly say

 

[orchard]

That Johnson's such a slovenly wing-it merchant. Pathetic.

 

[zzr45]

Anybody that cares about workers rights, and the importance of the Unions should be in favour of the McDonalds strike.

People are just seeing the £15 ab hour headline and ignoring the real reason they're on strike.

Poor working conditions, unsecure hours, poverty wages, and bullying management across the board (I personally know someone who has been victim of this behaviour)

A Mcdonalds worker in London earns £8.80 an hour. That's not a living wage in London, it's barely a living wage anywhere in the U.K.

They have every right to go on strike, look beyond the £15 an hour headline.

Working at McDonalds (or any other hospitality outlet) and complaining about conditions, hours and whatever else shows an insane level of incomprehension about the way that industry works. Yes, it's a harsh environment and one I've worked in myself, but if it worked the way they wanted it to, we'd soon end up with same situation we now have with pubs.

If a McDonalds worker doesn't want to earn £8.80, maybe they shouldn't be a McDonalds worker?

 

[Charro]

Working at McDonalds (or any other hospitality outlet) and complaining about conditions, hours and whatever else shows an insane level of incomprehension about the way that industry works. Yes, it's a harsh environment and one I've worked in myself, but if it worked the way they wanted it to, we'd soon end up with same situation we now have with pubs.

If a McDonalds worker doesn't want to earn £8.80, maybe they shouldn't be a McDonalds worker?

Respect from management, a living wage, and secure hours is the bare minimum an employer should offer it's staff. If you're failing on those three fronts then expect your staff to strike until it improves.

If only life was like that. I want a job with more money, so I'll just get a job with more money.

 

[orchard]

Working at McDonalds (or any other hospitality outlet) and complaining about conditions, hours and whatever else shows an insane level of incomprehension about the way that industry works. Yes, it's a harsh environment and one I've worked in myself, but if it worked the way they wanted it to, we'd soon end up with same situation we now have with pubs.

If a McDonalds worker doesn't want to earn £8.80, maybe they shouldn't be a McDonalds worker?

Eh?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Meanwhile Johnson makes it to Yorkshire... Finally.

WATCH: Angry residents confront Boris Johnson as he finally visits flood-hit Yorkshire

Boris Johnson has faced a hostile reception from communities hit by floods in Yorkshire.

www.politicshome.com

Should have stayed at number 10 for that Thai curry and stayed in touch with the luvvies.

 

[dead_soft]

Working at McDonalds (or any other hospitality outlet) and complaining about conditions, hours and whatever else shows an insane level of incomprehension about the way that industry works. Yes, it's a harsh environment and one I've worked in myself, but if it worked the way they wanted it to, we'd soon end up with same situation we now have with pubs.

If a McDonalds worker doesn't want to earn £8.80, maybe they shouldn't be a McDonalds worker?

What a staggeringly silly comment.Many, not enough but many, businesses in the hospitality trade pay fair wages and treat their staff well without going bust. Not sure what the pub comment is, though.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Anybody that cares about workers rights, and the importance of the Unions should be in favour of the McDonalds strike.

People are just seeing the £15 ab hour headline and ignoring the real reason they're on strike.

Poor working conditions, unsecure hours, poverty wages, and bullying management across the board (I personally know someone who has been victim of this behaviour)

A Mcdonalds worker in London earns £8.80 an hour. That's not a living wage in London, it's barely a living wage anywhere in the U.K.

They have every right to go on strike, look beyond the £15 an hour headline.

To be fair, the health of the nation would benefit no end if they went on strike permanently.

 

[Charro]

Yeah, some staggering stuff in here reading back.

 

[catcherintherye]

Hanging out with writers and musicians and having a girlfriend who runs a bar, I know a lot of people in the HORECA sector. €12.50 is about the going hourly rate, which scales up to about €1200 a month after tax or €19k a year gross.

I know one guy who probably makes €30k a year but his nickname is HORECA (female dog) because he works so many different jobs.

We have a major issue with the gig economy and an argument needs to be re-won that information shouldn't be free.

I'm not sure it contravenes my point though. That people on low to middling incomes earning more money I don't see as an enormous issue, either on a philosophical level but also on a practical level.

When I visited Norway and even Austria I was very surprised what they paid waiting staff etc, but then I felt it makes a lot of sense, as you get a good service and have a more balanced society.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

To be fair, the health of the nation would benefit no end if they went on strike permanently.

Paying Maccy Ds worker a good wage would be like a junk food tax in essence, as the end cost would be handed over to the consumer burger eater. There is hope..

 

[catcherintherye]

Yeah the problem for me is that there’s still this hangover that the in the last election it wasn’t priced up and felt rushed. Even supporting that it feels like ideological good is being put ahead of the realities of the industry. Yes it would be wonderful if they got paid £15 but what are the wider implications.

As you’ve said, the problem Corbyn has often had is perceiving how the public will take what he says. I see this endorsement of what the workers are trying to do as ever so slightly risky - after all if he’s backed scrapping of youth rates in this case, is that something that will be replicated should Labour get into power across the board?

It’s all a bit bull in a china shop sometimes.

I do understand why people are a bit aghast (though I have made my own personal thoughts on it which are different it makes such views no less valid). The question I'd ask though, is if you were one of say 12+ million people who voted voted for Corbyn last time, when he was described as a full on communist, how put off are you going to be that he supports a group of workers who earn below the living wage going on strike? People who dislike Corbyn will obviously be put off, but I suspect those who are inclined to vote for him will be enthused by it.