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[Tubey]

"We support McDonald's workers rights to ask for £15 an hour because they aren't really doing that"

Hahahaha

I can't even be arsed replying. They can't see the woods for the trees.

 

[peteblue]

A Macdonalds strike is the worst thing the Labour Party have done? Were you alive to see the Ed Stone mate!?

hahaha, no I meant appointing Corbyn....slight confusion......

 

[abelard]

I remember the same scares about the minimum wage and job losses. It was completely unfounded then as well.

It is impressive how the same people who were certain the sky was falling and Bolshevism imminent in 1998 now see that as exactly the sort of sound, responsible and moderate policy that they supported all along and that Labour should be going for - were it not for the loony left.

 

[peteblue]

The counter argument is "well, all other jobs should get pay increases too - punch up, not down!"

So the Momentum/Labour argument is to give everyone a 33% increase in wage then. Great! I can't see how there can be any problems with that!










.... morons.

again, sorry, I meant appointing Corbyn as Leader, nothing to do with McDonalds.....

 

[peteblue]

It is, but a majority of under 20 is very difficult to govern with. As Major, Cameron, May and Johnson have found.

They think they are winning a 50+ majority.

I think they will tbh......

 

[NorthernBlue]

There’s some properly mad closet tories on here trying to break out. Sad to see.

 

[orly]

Hahahaha

I can't even be arsed replying. They can't see the woods for the trees.

What happens if McDonald's cave in overnight and give everyone the full £15?

Do the protesters:

1. Give back £5 of it per hour to maintain market fiscal integrity
2. Be absolutely made up and congratulate their clearly excellent union reps.

I'm going to say 2.

I'm genuinely absolutely fine with Big Jezza trying to get them the full £15. If he succeeds, big old boost for him. But the mental gymnastics on here to say that's NOT actually what he and the protesters want is amazing.

 

[tsubaki]

The problem is, however well meaning, that people will say, as they have done on here 'OMG this madman wants to give McDonald's workers 27000 a year'

Of course they will, because - sadly - British people are conditioned to hate anyone of their own class who isn't subjected to what they think they are subjected to.

The fact that one of the demands of the strikers is to know what the roster they'll be working a month in advance is just ignored; "I think these people have an easier job than me, how dare they try to get more money, I'm on the side of the people who make hundreds of thousands more than me a year"

 

[tsubaki]

What happens if McDonald's cave in overnight and give everyone the full £15?

Do the protesters:

1. Give back £5 of it per hour to maintain market fiscal integrity
2. Be absolutely made up and congratulate their clearly excellent union reps.

I'm going to say 2.

they don't have union reps, thats literally one of the things they are striking over

 

[orly]

they don't have union reps, thats literally one of the things they are striking over

To be honest, if they secure £15 an hour, do they really need them? They are excellent negotiators

 

[Jebus_lives]

Which is their right. But it's for those who are aware this is untrue to calmly state Corbyn has no impact upon what Macdonalds choose to pay their workers (beyond the statutory minimum requirements).

Exactly. But the argument will follow:

Corbyn thinks these people should be given £15 per hour, traditionally these people are paid minimum wage - therefore the new minimum wage will be £15.

 

[tsubaki]

To be honest, if they secure £15 an hour, do they really need them? They are excellent negotiators

If they got £15 an hour then no. However given that they'll never get that and will instead be on £8-odd (the adults, not the kids who will be on less than £6), and told when the firm allows them to work by someone paid slightly more than them, I'd say they probably do need union recognition.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Of course they will, because - sadly - British people are conditioned to hate anyone of their own class who isn't subjected to what they think they are subjected to.

The fact that one of the demands of the strikers is to know what the roster they'll be working a month in advance is just ignored; "I think these people have an easier job than me, how dare they try to get more money, I'm on the side of the people who make hundreds of thousands more than me a year"

Focusing on relative poverty rather than absolute poverty does exactly what you suggest is wrong, so presumably you oppose such antics too?

 

[tsubaki]

Exactly. But the argument will follow:

Corbyn thinks these people should be given £15 per hour, traditionally these people are paid minimum wage - therefore the new minimum wage will be £15.

... even though the quote from McDonnell that was on most of the reporting said £10

 

[tsubaki]

Focusing on relative poverty rather than absolute poverty does exactly what you suggest is wrong, so presumably you oppose such antics too?

No it doesn't, and who focuses on "relative poverty rather than absolute poverty" nowadays (apart from the Lib Dems)?