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The essence of what Sanders and Corbyn advocate (Sanders in particular), is in policy terms normal, time-tested, and utterly mundane within every part of of the developed world - save the always exceptionally parochial United States and UK. But it is more likely to be the UKIP agenda that prevails, if the self-proclaimed sensible keep childishly pretending that the constructive alternatives to their own constrained set of acceptable responses are tantamount to Chavez and Pol Pot - which of course only compounds the sense of frustration and alienation from mainstream politics.

It is not just about the money - obviously - but that is the the quickest and simplest place for the government to start. The UK spends less on health and education than most countries in Europe; recent NHS spending adjustments have, entirely predictably, resulted in crowding, increased wait times, staff burnout if not exodus, and plummeting general morale - not exactly conducive conditions for carrying out more systemic reforms. University tuition is off the charts anywhere except America (like topping Port Vale in the Football League table), and the trains slower and much more expensive. Perhaps a reason the why university attendance and rail access have become such distinctly middle-class services is because nobody else can afford to spend or borrow the 9k and up to 5k/year, respectively, that it now takes to use them? Perhaps a reason why Boston and other Brexit towns from your rhetorical flourishes have become so disenfranchised is because so many people who live there no longer see a realistic means of going anywhere else?

And which party leadership called for major infrastructure development, at a time when UK productivity has stagnated and central banks are tearing their hair out trying to get governments to invest in exactly this, such that borrowing now costs less than inflation?

Anomie in France is a fair point - as I said, it is obviously more complex than mere spending levels, and the state alone can only do so much. But there are some very easy and obvious things that the UK can be doing immediately; instead, we're clearly hellbent on moving in the opposite direction, all the while insisting that even modest tweaks against our race to the bottom amount to storming the Bastille.

I'm not some doctrinaire Corbynista. His position on Brexit is enormously frustrating, for instance, if not all that surprising given the nature of parliamentary Labour and its constituents.

But to claim to nobody is trying to address the disenfranchised portions of society is self-serving nonsense. It's just that it hasn't yet been transmuted for broadcast via the highly attuned, acutely sensitive media dogwhistles that "sensible" people seem to require before they can hear anything at all.

Apologies for the slow response. I don't doubt there is an awful lot of fear involved, especially around healthcare. Indeed, the politicization of it makes it so bloody difficult to improve. The American system is incredibly dysfunctional and the 'socialization' accusations are frankly absurd, but then so too are the 'privatisation' arguments made here. For instance, in Germany, all primary care is privately provided, and half of hospitals are private (a mixture of non-profit and for-profit). There is literally so much going on in the space now that the private sector can't be locked out. There's an effort underway, for instance, to do an enormous analysis of ~100,000 genomes, together with all of the medical data associated with those individuals to get a better understanding of how we tick, build better treatments and intervene much earlier. A worthwhile thing that Britain leads the world in, yet it is done entirely outside of the NHS (run by UK Biobank - a charity - if you're interested). Spending is irrelevant as a measure though imo, as America spend far more than anyone on the planet, and no sane person would ever dream of attempting to copy their model.

With universities, every single statistic that I've seen shows that more disadvantaged youngsters are going to university than ever before, so the notion that they're being priced out is absurd. The thing is, I think it's a distraction more than anything. There's a strong argument that much of the problems we see today are a result of people feeling disenfranchised, not being respected. We haven't seen this kind of populist uprising in countries where technical education has remained strong, yet it's been devalued in Britain enormously. That's something that can rectified but it's relatively mundane and not as sexy as 'scrapping tuition fees'. Likewise, the need for lifelong learning is more important than ever before as technology has a more pronounced impact on the labour market, yet the government's own research shows that despite opportunities existing, the poorest folk are often the worst at exploiting the opportunities. The reasons they give aren't financial either, it's more lack of time, lack of interest, lack of confidence. These are policy wonk stuff rather than revolutions.

Likewise, I've said many times before that (EU) funds exist to help local communities with changes to their population due to migration (whether internal or external), but these funds are ignored by the UK government, with little offered in their place. Couple this with heavily centralised government and you have communities unable to adapt to change. Again, this doesn't require revolution, just better governance.

The trains are frustrating, not least because most of the data I've seen suggests that the fares are comparable with Europe, providing you get the right ticket (buy in advance, use railcards etc.) So a simplification of the ticket system would be a wonderful (wonkish) thing that could happen. In most other industries though, costs are lowered through the use of technology. Hand on heart, could you ever see a Corbyn led railway using autonomous vehicles, for instance, and stare down the inevitable union strife that would cause? There is also the challenges presented by Britain being the first with the railways and having a track infrastructure that is, I believe, unique in the world. This makes it difficult to work with OEMs because they have to build unique things for our network so we lose economies of scale. That issue is already in state hands (via Network Rail) but fixing it is far from easy.

And that's kinda the point. A lot of the disenfranchisement of society is that the remarkable loss of trust in those that were traditionally in authorities. Trust in government is incredibly low because they lie and cheat so much. Trust in the (mainstream) media is equally low, and it's resulted in the situation we face, not least on here, with Brexit, Trump etc. whereby no amount of facts or evidence will sway people because they've completely lost faith in that. I don't believe Corbyn to be a dishonest man (although his behaviour around Brexit is slippery politicking at it's worst), but I do think his election manifesto was utterly bonkers. Even if you support what he wanted to do, the notion that he could nationalise several industries, remake our economy and all manner of other things whilst also dealing with Brexit was frankly bonkers, so it would almost certainly lead to a whole lot of broken promises.

This is key, because there are solutions to the problems we face but they are difficult and they are often quite boring, which is the opposite of the revolutionary and easy sounding (and guaranteed to succeed) statements you get from Corbyn.
 
Quite a good graph, privatised in 95 and the subsidy dropped like a stone. Blair got in in 97 and it went through the roof for the whole of a Labour Government before the tories got back and reduced it...........what was the point again......

it would perhaps be educational for you to find out what happened before posting
 


Interesting video

"Democracy is the enemy of Socialism"

I'm not sure that's 100% true, but I can understand where he's coming from. Socialism does have an issue with accepting the individual and also curbing personal liberties. Look at Labours ID card scheme during the Blair years for instance, and he wasn't even traditionally socialist
 


Interesting video

"Democracy is the enemy of Socialism"

I'm not sure that's 100% true, but I can understand where he's coming from. Socialism does have an issue with accepting the individual and also curbing personal liberties. Look at Labours ID card scheme during the Blair years for instance, and he wasn't even traditionally socialist

Dave Rubin is a top guy. Once of the few so called "journalists" who actually treats these topics with the intellectual honesty and respect they deserve. He's also a fantastic interviewer.

He used to be a member of the young turks and very left wing who now finds himself on the right for being a proper i.e. classical liberal and/or libertarian.
 
I find it incredibly hard to believe that anyone truely takes Alex Jones seriously. I'd of thought him a comedy figure even among the far right with his ludicrous rants and wild conspiracy theory's that are so far out there they may as well be in space.

Sadly though there are some people who do take him seriously, usually fellow nutters

If something happens to that TV host now, then Jones will carry the blame IMO

I could easily see some religious nutter gunning him down
 
Sadly though there are some people who do take him seriously, usually fellow nutters

If something happens to that TV host now, then Jones will carry the blame IMO

I could easily see some religious nutter gunning him down
The only people I can see taking Alex Jones seriously are probably basement dwelling virgin's and other down and out no hopers who look for sombody to blame for their crappy life. I truely don't believe people who listen to and take that nutter seriously are even capable of formulating plans about assassinations and such.

Real threats from the far right come from the likes of Michael Savage. He is also a complete lunatic but he is also surprisingly eloquent when he wants to be and knows how to pass himself off as intelligent. He is far more dangerous then Alex Jones will ever be as he can pass himself off as being reasonable when he chooses to if he doesn't let him mask slip. Both are vile human beings but Alex Jones doesn't have the intelligence to make himself acceptable to anyone other then the fringe of the far right. Michael Savage speaks to much larger numbers who perceive themselves as the "good guys" trying to save the West.
 
The only people I can see taking Alex Jones seriously are probably basement dwelling virgin's and other down and out no hopers who look for sombody to blame for their crappy life. I truely don't believe people who listen to and take that nutter seriously are even capable of formulating plans about assassinations and such.

Real threats from the far right come from the likes of Michael Savage. He is also a complete lunatic but he is also surprisingly eloquent when he wants to be and knows how to pass himself off as intelligent. He is far more dangerous then Alex Jones will ever be as he can pass himself off as being reasonable when he chooses to if he doesn't let him mask slip. Both are vile human beings but Alex Jones doesn't have the intelligence to make himself acceptable to anyone other then the fringe of the far right. Michael Savage speaks to much larger numbers who perceive themselves as the "good guys" trying to save the West.

Could be, the guy who shot up FRC was apparently influenced by SPLC, which would be more mainstream along the lines of Savage. But nonetheless the type of nuts that find Alex Jones credible are probably more disposed to doing crazy things like attacking a CNN contributor.

The simple fact is most people can listen to polarizing stuff and not do bad things in response. The Scalise shooter and a hypothetical Alex Jones shooter (or the Pizza parlor gun guy, for example) are the exceptions, and I expect those exceptions are probably most drawn to the most "out there" personalities.
 

Surely that's more just being culturally insensitive and ignorant rather then being a far-right racist? I mean do you think the people who donning that type of gear are really doing so because of a political message or because they don't see how it's offensive? They should defiantly change the logo and its whole look if it offends native American's that much but do you seriously think this should be classed as a "far-right" issue?
 
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