Current Affairs The Far Right

[COYBL25]

What do you mean ‘taken over universities’?

Also, my response is related to the difference between fascists and anti fascists. I believe fascism is bad, I believe being anti fascist is good. An odd skuffle started by a bit of a bell who happens to be anti-fascist doesn’t tarnish everyone who is. I find it odd when so many people are so desperate to find ways to paint them as similar. Why so keen to discredit anti fascists?
In broad strokes answer to your question. And with awareness I am neither. I am a Labour supporter who would prefer a different leader.
Far right are insular and believe in keeping their ethnicities or nationalities separate from the others.
The far left is often a less easily defined beast, as it can be internationalist or protectionist. Most modern far left is internationalist.
Your comment was finding odd little stereotypes without any weight to it.

So it`s subjective.

Thanks that`s cleared things up nicely for me.

 

[PhilM]

What do you mean ‘taken over universities’?

Also, my response is related to the difference between fascists and anti fascists. I believe fascism is bad, I believe being anti fascist is good. An odd skuffle started by a bit of a bell who happens to be anti-fascist doesn’t tarnish everyone who is. I find it odd when so many people are so desperate to find ways to paint them as similar. Why so keen to discredit anti fascists?
In broad strokes answer to your question. And with awareness I am neither. I am a Labour supporter who would prefer a different leader.
Far right are insular and believe in keeping their ethnicities or nationalities separate from the others.
The far left is often a less easily defined beast, as it can be internationalist or protectionist. Most modern far left is internationalist.
Your comment was finding odd little stereotypes without any weight to it.

You're correct the fascism is bad and I fully support the suppression of fascism. However, I do not feel that people are 'desperate' to compare them as the same.

My earlier post was that from my experience, both personal and professional, there are ardent antifascists who are open to intimidation, violence and oppression.

They may be the minority, in fact I suspect they are, yet my perception (and of many others) is that growing numbers come across as equally unpleasant.

I'm vehemently against fascism, but equally I have a level of revulsion for those of the left who are willing to use similar tactics to their supposed opponents.

I think @COYBL25 and perhaps others have a similar view that perhaps, just perhaps, this is the view that those of the mainstream centre have of both sides.

In laymen's terms, I am against fascism - I really am - yet I see that elements of the supposed 'antifascists' movements adhere to actions that are morally wrong.

 

[dead_soft]

So it`s subjective.

Thanks that`s cleared things up nicely for me.

It’s not subjective. Far Right is an ideology based entirely on fear of the other and a belief in superiority.
Far left, you may disagree with, but it is based on a belief in the person and the collective. They are, at heart, fundamentally different. And only one is based on hate.

 

[COYBL25]

You're correct the fascism is bad and I fully support the suppression of fascism. However, I do not feel that people are 'desperate' to compare them as the same.

My earlier post was that from my experience, both personal and professional, there are ardent antifascists who are open to intimidation, violence and oppression.

They may be the minority, in fact I suspect they are, yet my perception (and of many others) is that growing numbers come across as equally unpleasant.

I'm vehemently against fascism, but equally I have a level of revulsion for those of the left who are willing to use similar tactics to their supposed opponents.

I think @COYBL25 and perhaps others have a similar view that perhaps, just perhaps, this is the view that those of the mainstream centre have of both sides.

In laymen's terms, I am against fascism - I really am - yet I see that elements of the supposed 'antifascists' movements adhere to actions that are morally wrong.

You've very eloquently summed up the views of what I'd say are the vast majority of most " normal " people in this country.

 

[dholliday]

Humour me.

What`s the difference between the far and right and the far left ?

Both are populated by sanctimonious nutters, who are equally as boring as each other.

The ones on the far right, seem to be better dressed and cleaner.

The ones on the far left seem to favour mongrels on bits of string and seem to have taken over universities.

They seem just as bad as each other to me, different sides of the same coin ?

lefties have more beards...what's that about?

Far left, you may disagree with, but it is based on a belief in the person and the collective. They are, at heart, fundamentally different. And only one is based on hate.

it's not, tho' is it? it's based in-between the person and the collective, for it's based on identity politics which is splitting people up, ranking even, based on outward appearances like skin colour and sex.

so actually sexist and racist then.

and it's deffo based on hate...have you seen the constant two-minute-hate session that is the Donald Trump thread? Have you seen the constant "i hate the tories" type comments from those who identify as Left?

Does that not count as hate? Is it only hate when the other side does it?

 

[COYBL25]

lefties have more beards...what's that about?




it's not, tho' is it? it's based in-between the person and the collective, for it's based on identity politics which is splitting people up, ranking even, based on outward appearances like skin colour and sex.

so actually sexist and racist then.

and it's deffo based on hate...have you seen the constant two-minute-hate session that is the Donald Trump thread? Have you seen the constant "i hate the tories" type comments from those who identify as Left?

Does that not count as hate? Is it only hate when the other side does it?

Beards are di rigeur amongst the left, even for the women, same as Stone Island is the must have brand of clothing for the right.

 

[ilikecheese]

it's not, tho' is it? it's based in-between the person and the collective, for it's based on identity politics which is splitting people up, ranking even, based on outward appearances like skin colour and sex.

so actually sexist and racist then.

and it's deffo based on hate...have you seen the constant two-minute-hate session that is the Donald Trump thread? Have you seen the constant "i hate the tories" type comments from those who identify as Left?

Does that not count as hate? Is it only hate when the other side does it?

You talk about brainwashed in a bad way yet you are so comfortable to regurgitate brainwashing terms like identity politics, liberal elite, and Islamic Crisis.

The right has been playing identity politics since the beginning of time and the left has been fighting aginst those that intentionally label those that are different and somehow a lesser human/countryman.

Can't you see that as a German who feels threatened by Muslim people entering your society that you are playing identity politics? It is the right that labels a group via identity politics, that the left in turn stands up for.

As long as the right wing continues to demonize a group or groups of people based on their identity, those on the left will stand against the tide.

The more often you talk about identity politics from the left being a problem, the more you seem to stand by those who would subjugate people for their differences. I don't know how you (and others) have managed to the mental gymnastics it has to take to say the right aren't the regressive, divisive force in the world when in fact they are the ones who create the identity label through bigotry and hate.

 

[dead_soft]

lefties have more beards...what's that about?




it's not, tho' is it? it's based in-between the person and the collective, for it's based on identity politics which is splitting people up, ranking even, based on outward appearances like skin colour and sex.

so actually sexist and racist then.

and it's deffo based on hate...have you seen the constant two-minute-hate session that is the Donald Trump thread? Have you seen the constant "i hate the tories" type comments from those who identify as Left?

Does that not count as hate? Is it only hate when the other side does it?

The far left is not based on identity politics, and the use of the phrase is a completely intentional attempt to completely skew the debate. If by identity politics you mean believing that there are marginalised groups that need extra protection and consideration, then I’m not sure why it is so wrong. If, however, you mean something else then please do say.
Disliking a political figure or a political ideology is not the same form of hate as the far right and it is disingenuous to suggest it is. The hate shown towards Trump and the Tories is based on real dislike for their actions and policies. If you cannot see the difference there then you are not really worthy of sensible discussion.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[dholliday]

The far left is not based on identity politics...

There's no way to counter this...it'd be like trying to debate a Flat Earther or a Creationist.

Good luck finding someone worthy.

 

[ilikecheese]

There's no way to counter this...it'd be like trying to debate a Flat Earther or a Creationist.

Good luck finding someone worthy.

Par for the course. When faced with a debate he doesn't like it's time to resort to insults/name calling.

 

[verreauxi]

Well darn, and just when I was starting to come around to his point of view, this happens! How untimely. I guess I'll have to find another piece-o-sheee neo-Nazi role model.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Well darn, and just when I was starting to come around to his point of view, this happens! How untimely. I guess I'll have to find another piece-o-sheee neo-Nazi role model.

It is always the ones you least suspect....

 

[dholliday]

Well darn, and just when I was starting to come around to his point of view, this happens! How untimely. I guess I'll have to find another piece-o-sheee neo-Nazi role model.

i might previously have said punching him isn't justified but if this is true i take it back and will give him a slap myself.

 

[Number_25]

What reading exactly? This isn’t a class. Even then, your bizzare statement doesn’t exactly stand up to what the actual reality of the situation is, firstly trying to use Freud’s discredited theories to apply something to the real world, or even what the most popular type of porn is - https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/sex/news/a52061/most-popular-porn-searches/

So yeah, take your sanctimonious tone and stick it. Stop trying to look smart.

I googled the Oedipus complex, and the first hit (from Wikipedia) states the following in the opening paragraph:

"The positive Oedipus complex refers to a child's unconscious sexual desire for the opposite-sex parent and hatred for the same-sex parent. The negative Oedipus complex refers to a child's unconscious sexual desire for the same-sex parent and hatred for the opposite-sex parent."

I'm of the assumption that sharing the "most viewed this week/month/year section" of adult video websites to be against the rules of the forum. Once you see the correlation, and the studies that correlate specific aspects of the theory to macho-driven fascism - then you'll understand where I'm coming from.