Lads - c'mon FFS ...lay off the guy!
There's more important things in life to worry about
There's more important things in life to worry about
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no, i sent the email to express the way i feel about the club, that will not change. despite those that whine about the grammar,and those who say i "hate", i dont regret it. i may not have the best grammar, i may get "confrontational" at times. but thats me, and the way i feel about this club. if your more worried about grammar than the way this club is run, what does that say?. if thats all some people can worry about, lucky them.
thanks, but im ok with critisism, and their not much to worry about are they?
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BlackToffee
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If it was a discussion with the guy yes. But when he doesn't even bother to acknowledge my response to him and then puts words into my mouth, then no. There are more important things to worry about which is why I get peed off when sirblue57 and his supporters who take a "your with us or against us" attitude. That attitude will win you no friends, but you will make many enemies.
I wish he was the spokeperson for Keioc, he'd sink it in the first public interview.
There are ways to debate with people to influence hearts and minds. Silas understands that. He shares sirblue57's views, but he's not blinkered. There are also ways to alienate any potential support. sirblue57 & Davek demonstrate this with every post they make on this subject.
EFCNIK
Banned
OK, don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those people that are like THEIR and THERE and comment if you write 'you are' as 'your' on the internet. Hate that. But when you're writing a letter to anyone grammer DOES matter. They arn't gonna take this seriously mate. You're writing like a scally.
SweetJesus849
Player Valuation: £1m
Right this has been bugging me for months without end now.
Frankly I'm sick and tired of everyone bashing Bill Kenwright and the Board. I know there are others out there who are more willing to spend than this lot, but look where it's put them. See Newcastle, West Ham, Manchester City before Sheikh Mansour, Portsmouth, and most likely Birmingham City, for example. West Ham, down. Portsmouth, down. Birmingham, down. Likely, were it not for Sheikh Mansour, City would be in a similar situation as the other 3, Sinawatra was a total disaster for them. Surely, if things don't change, Aston Villa will follow them.
The point here is whilst our board may not be taking us anywhere, they aren't soft. Thankfully they have more sense than money, unlike the gentlemen that bought out these aforementioned clubs.
My own personal strategy for "being ambitious" is showing a bit of ambition on the pitch rather than our money-throwing skills. It's maddening how we can seemingly always do well against good sides but lose to lesser sides. To some extent one can look at tactics but there's absolutely no excuse for playing 8 defenders and a striker who hasn't scored since dinosaurs roamed the Earth against West Brom.
I respect David Moyes as much as the next man, his patience and ability to find total bargains is second to none. However his tactics somehow manage to piss me off and bug at me on a regular basis. I'm all for having and excellent defence and that right, but at the end of the day, we've got to show some attacking intent. If needs be get rid of players and reinvest to do it, I know who I'd sell off right now if they don't buck their ideas, messrs Arteta and Rodwell, I swear they were both pre-occupied with passing the ball sideways this season.
It's all well and good playing the best of the best and beating the best of the best, but all that good work is undone when you drop points against lesser teams. It could easily be argued that we dropped a good 30 odd points against sides that finished in the bottom half of the table, with 15 coming from the bottom six. Really Moyesy? Really?
We can't even blame injuries this year, we were ****e with our stars and then became good without them, surely something isn't right here. Oh and who can forget that shambolic FA Cup defeat at home to Reading. I remember looking at that lineup and thinking, "Who will supply Saha?". I received my expected answer: Nobody. We had chances to, I remember Arteta choosing a sidewards pass to Seamus Coleman rather than a through ball which would've put Saha in on goal, and it's that sort of negativity that bugs me. Story of the season, summed up in one massively frustrating moment.
So we can bitch and whine and moan about the board and their supposed lack of investment all we want, but it's not going to change the way the team plays on the pitch. I'm annoyed by the continual frustration with this side, we all know they have the potential to win the league, but I'd like to see it. I see no reason why we can not just try and attack, but apparently that's not happening.
Frankly I'm sick and tired of everyone bashing Bill Kenwright and the Board. I know there are others out there who are more willing to spend than this lot, but look where it's put them. See Newcastle, West Ham, Manchester City before Sheikh Mansour, Portsmouth, and most likely Birmingham City, for example. West Ham, down. Portsmouth, down. Birmingham, down. Likely, were it not for Sheikh Mansour, City would be in a similar situation as the other 3, Sinawatra was a total disaster for them. Surely, if things don't change, Aston Villa will follow them.
The point here is whilst our board may not be taking us anywhere, they aren't soft. Thankfully they have more sense than money, unlike the gentlemen that bought out these aforementioned clubs.
My own personal strategy for "being ambitious" is showing a bit of ambition on the pitch rather than our money-throwing skills. It's maddening how we can seemingly always do well against good sides but lose to lesser sides. To some extent one can look at tactics but there's absolutely no excuse for playing 8 defenders and a striker who hasn't scored since dinosaurs roamed the Earth against West Brom.
I respect David Moyes as much as the next man, his patience and ability to find total bargains is second to none. However his tactics somehow manage to piss me off and bug at me on a regular basis. I'm all for having and excellent defence and that right, but at the end of the day, we've got to show some attacking intent. If needs be get rid of players and reinvest to do it, I know who I'd sell off right now if they don't buck their ideas, messrs Arteta and Rodwell, I swear they were both pre-occupied with passing the ball sideways this season.
It's all well and good playing the best of the best and beating the best of the best, but all that good work is undone when you drop points against lesser teams. It could easily be argued that we dropped a good 30 odd points against sides that finished in the bottom half of the table, with 15 coming from the bottom six. Really Moyesy? Really?
We can't even blame injuries this year, we were ****e with our stars and then became good without them, surely something isn't right here. Oh and who can forget that shambolic FA Cup defeat at home to Reading. I remember looking at that lineup and thinking, "Who will supply Saha?". I received my expected answer: Nobody. We had chances to, I remember Arteta choosing a sidewards pass to Seamus Coleman rather than a through ball which would've put Saha in on goal, and it's that sort of negativity that bugs me. Story of the season, summed up in one massively frustrating moment.
So we can bitch and whine and moan about the board and their supposed lack of investment all we want, but it's not going to change the way the team plays on the pitch. I'm annoyed by the continual frustration with this side, we all know they have the potential to win the league, but I'd like to see it. I see no reason why we can not just try and attack, but apparently that's not happening.
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BlackToffee
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What's so funny is that last year we were moaning that we could beat the lesser teams quite easily, but couldn't beat the "bigger teams". How times have changed. But I've noticed your joining date and I'd say to sirblue57 etc, SweetJesus is a typical supporters post. They are more numerous than you are. You have to learn to win him over, not try and knock him down. Does that make sense to you?
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SweetJesus849
Player Valuation: £1m
It makes sense but it's just my personal opinion. I feel we've got a squad currently that has the ability to beat anyone, we just need a few tweaks here and there. I'm as ambitious as anyone else but I don't think we need to spend ridiculous amounts of money to get there.
milks
I hate football
I've been banging my own drum on here sporadically for a fair few months here now. The club may or may not be run as all of the fans might like. However, Everton are in a FAR better position than a number of their peers. Relatively low debts, on field and changing room stability and consistently punching above their weight in terms of results against outlay.
There may well be billionaires sat on the board of directors, but as I've stated before, they are not football people. They are business people. Football is a dreadful business, you need to either be a combination of ultra-passionate AND ultra-rich (Kenwright is one, not the other), or so rich you can afford to treat a football club as your plaything. The EFC board are on the board because they funded Kenwright's share buyout. They're Kenwright's mates and they invested in HIM.
All they want, and Robert Earl has said this himself, is their investment back. There's no Machiavellian scheme to profit wildly by selling at a huge profit. Earl has even stated that if the opportunity arises for the club to improve it's potential revenue (new stadium has been directly cited) then he will consider investment.
I am all for the sale of the club to the right party or parties, however there is nothing that the fan base can to to expedite this. It may be deemed apathy, I just feel it's a far more realistic standpoint to accept that we're doing well all things considered. yes it could be better, but my word it could be so, so, so much worse if we were sold off to the wrong buyer.
ok, lets put this simply. do you think the board have done the best they can, with their combined experience and financial acuman. i dont.
for all those who think i expected the board to give mass resignations, behave yourselves. the ONLY point in my email was to state my anger at the way the club has been run. if you think different ,fine. send an email. just make sure you use correct grammar, or they will be after you to.
BigDunc'sFod
Player Valuation: £35m
Like using correct spelling, grammar and punctuation in a letter?
You are hurting your own point. However passionate you may be, taking the extra 2 minutes will make a difference, if not make them do a "180" and decide to take your point on board.
BigDunc'sFod
Player Valuation: £35m
Haha, come on lad. I'm not sure what you were expecting when you made this topic. Did you want a pat on the back? Were you trying to get others to follow your lead and vent their frustration? Did you just want to make an announcement for no apparent reason?
If you think everyone is happy with the way the club is being run or where we are compared to other clubs, then you're wrong. Some people have high expectations and others compromise when they think of their version of "reality". I don't think any football fan will be happy with mediocrity but success is relative.
Was this season a disaster? No. Do I wish we'd finished higher? Yes. Do I think we had the capacity to do better at the start of the season? Of course. I don't think Blue Bill is going to pick up his coat and leave us to a toffee fanatic billionaire though, no matter how many letters he receives.
neonleon
Player Valuation: £35m
I'd like to see what a workable business plan would look like, perhaps you could show us an example?
Because I for one can't see somebody spending 120 million on the club (that's a guess at the price of the club), a further 60 million paying off debts, another 60 million invested in the squad and a further 200 million on a new stadium (conservative estimate) - total 440 million and then paying that off and making a profit out of that whilst continuing to invest in the squad every year.
Somebody could buy it tomorrow for 120 million, with no plans for a stadium and slowly asset strip us though (by selling two or three players a season), not caring where we end up in the league; and before any smart alec answers that's what Kenwright is doing, it palpably isn't. If he was Moyes would've walked many moons ago. We are lucky that Kenwright cares more about the fate of the club than that.
Most current business models for premier league clubs are predicated on corporate facilities and worldwide marketing profiles. We simply aren't a big enough club globally to get the kind of marketing deals that Liverpool, Manchester and Arsenal get. And as for corporate facilities, that's hampered by our old stadium and the reality that most corporate tickets are going to zone in on Anfield in Liverpool. Plus, the relatively small size of the business community in Liverpool compared to London and even Manchester.
Additionally new owners nearly always coincide with a rise in ticket prices across the board to pay for the investment. Judging by the fairly static ticket prices at Goodison I suggest (in combination with the recession) that any further ticket hikes are unsustainable given the disposable income of the average fan.
Anyway Sirblue how do you suggest an investor in Everton would feasibly make their money back? I'd love to see this workable business model?
Because I for one can't see somebody spending 120 million on the club (that's a guess at the price of the club), a further 60 million paying off debts, another 60 million invested in the squad and a further 200 million on a new stadium (conservative estimate) - total 440 million and then paying that off and making a profit out of that whilst continuing to invest in the squad every year.
Somebody could buy it tomorrow for 120 million, with no plans for a stadium and slowly asset strip us though (by selling two or three players a season), not caring where we end up in the league; and before any smart alec answers that's what Kenwright is doing, it palpably isn't. If he was Moyes would've walked many moons ago. We are lucky that Kenwright cares more about the fate of the club than that.
Most current business models for premier league clubs are predicated on corporate facilities and worldwide marketing profiles. We simply aren't a big enough club globally to get the kind of marketing deals that Liverpool, Manchester and Arsenal get. And as for corporate facilities, that's hampered by our old stadium and the reality that most corporate tickets are going to zone in on Anfield in Liverpool. Plus, the relatively small size of the business community in Liverpool compared to London and even Manchester.
Additionally new owners nearly always coincide with a rise in ticket prices across the board to pay for the investment. Judging by the fairly static ticket prices at Goodison I suggest (in combination with the recession) that any further ticket hikes are unsustainable given the disposable income of the average fan.
Anyway Sirblue how do you suggest an investor in Everton would feasibly make their money back? I'd love to see this workable business model?
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Chang Elephant
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Workable business plan:
1) assess current financial position
2) assess the management and conduct of business over the tenure of the board that has produced this current position
3) do not ignore the previous management and conduct of the business, as repeated gross negligence by those in executive positions will likely reoccur and cause failure of future business plans
4) independent business advisor asks board to sell their shares so to relinquish executive control into capable hands
1) assess current financial position
2) assess the management and conduct of business over the tenure of the board that has produced this current position
3) do not ignore the previous management and conduct of the business, as repeated gross negligence by those in executive positions will likely reoccur and cause failure of future business plans
4) independent business advisor asks board to sell their shares so to relinquish executive control into capable hands
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