The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

Is it time for Change...???

  • Kenwright an the Board out, We need Change.

    Votes: 503 80.0%
  • Im Happy with the way thing are. Kenwright an the Board should stay

    Votes: 126 20.0%

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It is a good post. I don't however think this squad have got it in them to win the league. Quaifying for the CL would be at an absolute push, and even them, its asking far too much for an under invested squad.

I believe Moyes is the best man for the job. It doesn't put him past criticism though, and the darkest moments (the recent united game where we parked the bus, I thought we'd grown out of that) make me shout obscenities: like playing five in midfield and then bypassing all five midfielders with hoof ball towards someone incapable of beating the back four and the keeper himself (although we've seen Becks can sometimes do this we shouldn't bloody rely on it).

Welcome to the forum mate.

I'm basing this on how well we seem to do against the bigger teams being honest, I think the only side above us we didn't take points off at some point was Arsenal, so we all know they're capable of mixing with the best and getting a result. I think if we kept that form up whilst still beating the lesser sides, especially at home, so no more 1-4 scorelines please Mr Moyes!

That doesn't mean that there is anyone better, I don't think there is another capable of achieving his success with what he's got.
 
Right this has been bugging me for months without end now.

Frankly I'm sick and tired of everyone bashing Bill Kenwright and the Board. I know there are others out there who are more willing to spend than this lot, but look where it's put them. See Newcastle, West Ham, Manchester City before Sheikh Mansour, Portsmouth, and most likely Birmingham City, for example. West Ham, down. Portsmouth, down. Birmingham, down. Likely, were it not for Sheikh Mansour, City would be in a similar situation as the other 3, Sinawatra was a total disaster for them. Surely, if things don't change, Aston Villa will follow them.

The point here is whilst our board may not be taking us anywhere, they aren't soft. Thankfully they have more sense than money, unlike the gentlemen that bought out these aforementioned clubs.

My own personal strategy for "being ambitious" is showing a bit of ambition on the pitch rather than our money-throwing skills. It's maddening how we can seemingly always do well against good sides but lose to lesser sides. To some extent one can look at tactics but there's absolutely no excuse for playing 8 defenders and a striker who hasn't scored since dinosaurs roamed the Earth against West Brom.

I respect David Moyes as much as the next man, his patience and ability to find total bargains is second to none. However his tactics somehow manage to piss me off and bug at me on a regular basis. I'm all for having and excellent defence and that right, but at the end of the day, we've got to show some attacking intent. If needs be get rid of players and reinvest to do it, I know who I'd sell off right now if they don't buck their ideas, messrs Arteta and Rodwell, I swear they were both pre-occupied with passing the ball sideways this season.

It's all well and good playing the best of the best and beating the best of the best, but all that good work is undone when you drop points against lesser teams. It could easily be argued that we dropped a good 30 odd points against sides that finished in the bottom half of the table, with 15 coming from the bottom six. Really Moyesy? Really?

We can't even blame injuries this year, we were ****e with our stars and then became good without them, surely something isn't right here. Oh and who can forget that shambolic FA Cup defeat at home to Reading. I remember looking at that lineup and thinking, "Who will supply Saha?". I received my expected answer: Nobody. We had chances to, I remember Arteta choosing a sidewards pass to Seamus Coleman rather than a through ball which would've put Saha in on goal, and it's that sort of negativity that bugs me. Story of the season, summed up in one massively frustrating moment.

So we can bitch and whine and moan about the board and their supposed lack of investment all we want, but it's not going to change the way the team plays on the pitch. I'm annoyed by the continual frustration with this side, we all know they have the potential to win the league, but I'd like to see it. I see no reason why we can not just try and attack, but apparently that's not happening.

There's no supposed about it. They've invested zero money into Everton. Feel free to prove that wrong like.


The analysis from your post - am I reading this right: you feel that, regardless of the absence of tens of millions of £s spending, if Moyes could only show 'ambition' he could be winning trophies and muscling into the top four CL places each season?
 
The current board configuration is not ideal. We have a reluctant billionaire and a few millionaires. As such we have people who cannot invest in the way that we would like them to. In my view they have made mistakes (you've highlighted many of them) with some modest successes (the outsourced Sodexho winning a major award against "bigger clubs for example). The reality is that they have had to live within their means. The stats have shown that with one of the lowest debt in the prem for example they are performing well against other prem clubs which should be applauded.

But, for me its built on the sand of TV money and a too slow growth in our commercial activities.

Its not a question of faith. They don't have the means to provide the type of investment needed. Period. Shouting at them won't change that.

They can't do a Leeds United. We all know what happened there, but this is what you want them to do.

In short, the board has experienced many failures of its own making, and some successes.

The only way that this situation can be changed is if a credible buyer comes on the horizon

There is a credible argument to say that if the mass of supporters showed their approval the board would be forced to sell. Its just a shame it didn't work with Newcastle - partly because the price asked for was too much, and I think it turned out that the potential investors didn't have the money as they stated.

When a credible buyer comes along I'll be with you encouraging the board to sell.

As supporters what we need to really discuss is what can we realistically do to encourage that change, how can supporters unite around common issues. That to me is where the debate should be at and its why I keep saying that campaigns based on abuse don't win wars.

the fact that the only "positive" you quoted was the catering deal is an eye opener in itself, no?
 
The analysis from your post - am I reading this right: you feel that, regardless of the absence of tens of millions of £s spending, if Moyes could only show 'ambition' he could be winning trophies and muscling into the top four CL places each season?

I actually kind of agree with this.

Having said that, given no other club has won trophies or broke the top 4 in the last twenty years without spending massive ammounts more on wages and transfers, it does seem to be putting a little too much pressure on Moyes. We're basically asking him to be the best manager on the planet every season or we lose ground.
 
Bill Kenwright is a charming old man whose speeches about our club bring a tear to my eye, modern day legend up there with the likes of the great gary glitter and michael barrymore for me.
 
The current board configuration is not ideal. We have a reluctant billionaire and a few millionaires. As such we have people who cannot invest in the way that we would like them to. In my view they have made mistakes (you've highlighted many of them) with some modest successes (the outsourced Sodexho winning a major award against "bigger clubs for example). The reality is that they have had to live within their means. The stats have shown that with one of the lowest debt in the prem for example they are performing well against other prem clubs which should be applauded.

But, for me its built on the sand of TV money and a too slow growth in our commercial activities.

Its not a question of faith. They don't have the means to provide the type of investment needed. Period. Shouting at them won't change that.

They can't do a Leeds United. We all know what happened there, but this is what you want them to do.

In short, the board has experienced many failures of its own making, and some successes.

The only way that this situation can be changed is if a credible buyer comes on the horizon

There is a credible argument to say that if the mass of supporters showed their approval the board would be forced to sell. Its just a shame it didn't work with Newcastle - partly because the price asked for was too much, and I think it turned out that the potential investors didn't have the money as they stated.

When a credible buyer comes along I'll be with you encouraging the board to sell.

As supporters what we need to really discuss is what can we realistically do to encourage that change, how can supporters unite around common issues. That to me is where the debate should be at and its why I keep saying that campaigns based on abuse don't win wars.

one other thing, if we are so desperate for investment, why not have a share issue? its a logical conclusion, would solve some problems. or would that dilute the boards eventual profit?
 
the fact that the only "positive" you quoted was the catering deal is an eye opener in itself, no?

Originally Posted by sirblue57
please explain why. because i have lost faith in BK and the board a long time a go, when they lost KD and then tried to sell DK as "the deal of the century" plus all the lies with FSF etc. theres my reasoning. i would like to know yours. simple no abuse, no sarcasm just facts.

Well that didn't last very long did it? Why should I bother to give you a long list of successes so that you can belittle them.

Try growing up, this is a big boys forum.
 
one other thing, if we are so desperate for investment, why not have a share issue? its a logical conclusion, would solve some problems. or would that dilute the boards eventual profit?

Sirblue with an idea, wow. Did your mother give you that one?

And yes, if you want to debate, debate, I'm always open for that. If you want to come on here for petty school boy put downs and abuse, don't start with me.

I don't take prisoners.
 
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