The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Silas]

That's a fair point too mate, we are not a million miles away from competing at the top end so a sensible businessman/consortium would perhaps provide the next step;

 

[Bruce Wayne]

SirBlue, if you look back at Moyes early years it wasn't at all consistent. We usually followed a decent season with a poor one.

2002/03 Premier League 7th
2003/04 Premier League 17th
2004/05 Premier League 4th
2005/06 Premier League 11th
2006/07 Premier League 6th
2007/08 Premier League 5th
2008/09 Premier League 5th
2009/10 Premier League 8th
2010/2011 Premier League 7th

So we're now consistently in and around 6th spot in the league. The average (rounded up) over that 9 year period is 8th, so whilst the start of the year wasn't good, and based on our pre-season expectations the year has been a let down, we're not in any way disastrous.

The lack of ambition is a tough one to measure. Lets say we blew the bank to get 4th spot, then did what Spurs did this year and due to the increase in matches did not qualify next time round. Taking such a gamble doesn't just require an initial splurge of money, it requires a slush fund in case it goes wrong so we don't end up like Leeds.

The GP issue seems clear to me. The board, rightly or wrongly, have regarded a move away as the best option. It would be pretty silly to invest in something we're planning on leaving. Now that this situation has changed we 'may' see more investment in GP.

We have to appreciate that football isn't necessarily like the old days when owners would do so for the kudos, and could afford a few million to give away to their beloved club. Now the sums required are huge, and an increasing number of owners are in it for their own benefit. It's a commercial deal to them. For every Sheikh you have a Glazer who extorts as much money from fans, saddles their club with the debt they used to buy the club and is generally a leach on the game.

BK isn't super rich, and the board aren't perfect in terms of their management ability, but things could be a whole lot worse. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Remember the days of Peter Johnson, a red who did have money but couldn't care less about the club. At least under BK we're not selling our captain without the managers knowledge to pay our debts.

 

[sirblue57]

again, you missed the point, the team improved year on year. look at the age of the squad when moyes came, and the (lack of) quality. and tell me we did not improve.
the lack of ambition is as clear as day, we could have had the Kings dock, we nearly ended up in Kirkby, one simple question, WHY?. could it be the majority shareholders want a profit on their investment? now i have no problem with making a profit, but if they want to profit at the expense of the club, then ,yes, i am against that.
this club is more than a business, yes people want to make money. but due care and consideration come into play with football clubs, because they dont have "customers" they have supporters. people who will follow because its their club, part of the family if you will.its not Marks and Spencer, or Tesco. its much more than that.

 

[Chang Elephant]

BK isn't super rich, and the board aren't perfect in terms of their management ability, but things could be a whole lot worse. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Remember the days of Peter Johnson, a red who did have money but couldn't care less about the club. At least under BK we're not selling our captain without the managers knowledge to pay our debts.

And Bingo, there goes the classic reference to Johnson as a means of diverting attention from BK's excellent tenure. We haven't seen this one for a few weeks:

Johnson was a Red...check

Couldn't care less about the club (ignoring the rights issue he underwrote to put more money in)....check

Selling Ferguson (high price, spent most of his Newcastle tme out injured and most of the time when BK bought him back)....check

No comment at all whether Johnson would have sealed the Kings Dock deal of the century....check

tremendous

 

[DualityNSNO]

When did being a football fan mean you had to be an accountant too?

I don't care about our finances. I just want us to win football matches.

This.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And Bingo, there goes the classic reference to Johnson as a means of diverting attention from BK's excellent tenure. We haven't seen this one for a few weeks:

Johnson was a Red...check

Couldn't care less about the club (ignoring the rights issue he underwrote to put more money in)....check

Selling Ferguson (high price, spent most of his Newcastle tme out injured and most of the time when BK bought him back)....check

No comment at all whether Johnson would have sealed the Kings Dock deal of the century....check

tremendous

Huh??

 

[davek]

There are people - after 11 years of the Keystone Cops in charge - who think everything in the garden is rosy and we're a well run club.

Incredible.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's not a case of thinking everything is rosy, every club could be better run, and ours certainly could. There is a big difference though between suggesting better management of the club, and simply wanting someone that will blow a load of their personal fortune over us.

 

[kenada_blue]

And Bingo, there goes the classic reference to Johnson as a means of diverting attention from BK's excellent tenure. We haven't seen this one for a few weeks:

Johnson was a Red...check

Couldn't care less about the club (ignoring the rights issue he underwrote to put more money in)....check

Selling Ferguson (high price, spent most of his Newcastle tme out injured and most of the time when BK bought him back)....check

No comment at all whether Johnson would have sealed the Kings Dock deal of the century....check

tremendous

The only difference between kenwright and Johnson is David moyes. If you look at the overall bottom line, both owners use the sell to buy method. Difference being is that moyes is a better scout of talent and uses his limits wisely, something other managers didn't do.

With that came higher league positions, cup runs etc and gave the board more room to improve and expand. If moyes didn't perform those miracles the club would be IMO exactly the same as when Johnson was in charge.

The current board hasn't even pushed the marketing of the club as a global brand. Tim Cahill is mr football in oz yet everton are barely mentioned, they aren't even scratching the surface of the fanbase they could make ther.

Landon Donovan was our ticket to smash the USA up....what happened? We couldn't afford him and we didn't even tour the states on the back of his successful loan spell. Marketting bollock drop.

Add to the half arsed and ill concieved ground moves that we didn't have the money for or couldn't even make work, goes to show the boards incompetence.

The board has also overshot it's wage structure on players contracts just to keep them here...and this was paid off off loading 4 or 5 players where moyes couldnt even get a loan in. He can't even get a pitiful 5million to buy a squad filler.

Kenwright is not a business man. The rest of the board are but aren't bothered to helping the club. Any new owner looking into the club will see this and wouldn't want any of the board to remain if they took over. That would double the price of the club.

 

[davek]

It's not a case of thinking everything is rosy, every club could be better run, and ours certainly could. There is a big difference though between suggesting better management of the club, and simply wanting someone that will blow a load of their personal fortune over us.

This lot are incapable of better management. They're the most incompetent bunch of amateurs ever to grace the club. There's a long list of opportunities they've either missed out on, or mismanaged when it fell into their lap. We went through the whole of the Premiership boom period for investment and takeovers and came up with precisely **** all. That's how ridiculously bad they are. They had (and continue to have) one game plan: new stadium > increase share value > sell up. They've done nothing other than hold their hand out for tv money and ticket money and sell off players for a profit. And now, after 11 years of it, we have Messrs Elstone and Neville telling everyone the cupboard's bare...but we still move inexorably forward to greatness.

I'd rather have had a series of John Houldings and Peter Johnsons than this shower of shite.

 

[BlackToffee]

This lot are incapable of better management. They're the most incompetent bunch of amateurs ever to grace the club. There's a long list of opportunities they've either missed out on, or mismanaged when it fell into their lap. We went through the whole of the Premiership boom period for investment and takeovers and came up with precisely **** all. That's how ridiculously bad they are. They had (and continue to have) one game plan: new stadium > increase share value > sell up. They've done nothing other than hold their hand out for tv money and ticket money and sell off players for a profit. And now, after 11 years of it, we have Messrs Elstone and Neville telling everyone the cupboard's bare...but we still move inexorably forward to greatness.

I'd rather have had a series of John Houldings and Peter Johnsons than this shower of shite.

I often hark back to the glory days of "survival Saturday" and constant relegation worries. Johnson, you beaut of a rs, come back we miss you. In all honesty, I'm now ducking out of these discussions after this post as it really is pointless. Post something when you internet hard men get off your backsides and storm the board room. Spitting in the wind, is, well, spitting in the wind. I'm sure the board are trembling at this moment at your continued diatribes.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Radio: Kenwright has put nothing into Everton

I was on my way home from work and the news came on. On the sports news there was this guy who had researched what clubs owed an what owners had spent. He spoke about the shite and then investing £140m an also that the 'Yanks' had put £140 in aswell. even with all the debt.

Then.......

He said.

"Bill Kenwright hasn't put a penny into Everton"

He spoke about people buying shares and others investing. But KENWRONG aint invested a penny...FACT!!!!

Made my blood boil. And we sit an do nothing!!!!!!

Please, let get this piece of **** out are club.....

KENWRONG OUT NOW!!!!!!

Plus this gut was'nt from any Everton group, he was an independent.

 

[LTblue]

Kenwright is chairman without putting any money into the club!?!....things just get worse, so who is this mystery owner?

 

[Nordecke]

I never used to jump on the (_________) Out! Threads, but I think enough is enough with Kenwright.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Kenwright is chairman without putting any money into the club!?!....things just get worse, so who is this mystery owner?

In the words of the Virgin Mary.....

Cum again!!!!