The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

Is it time for Change...???

  • Kenwright an the Board out, We need Change.

    Votes: 503 80.0%
  • Im Happy with the way thing are. Kenwright an the Board should stay

    Votes: 126 20.0%

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With all due respect Davek I really don't think Bill is in it purely for the money, Kudos maybe. As for his business associates, yes they invested and now are looking for a decent return; it's business not a charity.
 
With all due respect Davek I really don't think Bill is in it purely for the money, Kudos maybe. As for his business associates, yes they invested and now are looking for a decent return; it's business not a charity.

in business, you speculate to accumulate.
 
Premier league club debts / losses - the facts

Just read an interesting article in the Guardian about the debt of the premier league clubs. Some interesting information which I'm sure you can all pick out. Some highlights;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/19/premier-league-finances-black-hole

  • Everton is not the only premier league club where the owners have not in any money
  • Kenwright is a major, but not the majority owner
  • Despite claims to the contrary, no Director has taken money out of the club, even for scouting purposes
  • Everton, given their deep dependence on Sky money is a "sell to buy" club

Unfortunately, the author has not provided comparison tables, but it might match up with information provided by Neller in another tread. Thoughts?
 
Some very interesting and worrying figures in that report. We are not is such a bad position debt wise compared to the majority of premier league clubs but the line which stands out the most is the money put in by owners....NIL

The level of debt in the premier league as a whole is amazing, it makes you wonder why ANYBODY would invest in a football club!
 
Just read an interesting article in the Guardian about the debt of the premier league clubs. Some interesting information which I'm sure you can all pick out. Some highlights;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/19/premier-league-finances-black-hole

  • Everton is not the only premier league club where the owners have not in any money
  • Kenwright is a major, but not the majority owner
  • Despite claims to the contrary, no Director has taken money out of the club, even for scouting purposes
  • Everton, given their deep dependence on Sky money is a "sell to buy" club

Unfortunately, the author has not provided comparison tables, but it might match up with information provided by Neller in another tread. Thoughts?

Seems to be no mention of the board's achievement in leasing the academy, and why other clubs have failed to follow this best practice.:unsure:
 
If the current owners/major shareholders have not put a penny into the club (apart from buying their own shareholding). Then how can they expect or court possible outside investment?

It doesn't make any business sense - and just shows how completely inept and non-functional our board really is

Shocking
 
We are a low league position and a moyes leaving away from a portsmouth and west ham in all fairness.

The boards back up plan would be a fire sale of the players.
 
Kenwright in the last 11 years has put the club in £50M worth of debt by borrowing from financial institutions in order to avoid owner investment in the club.

But this feller is looking to *keep* the club in safe hands.

You couldn't make it up.
 
Like the bankers you mean?

there are other types of business being run successfully, just because the banks, like politicians, couldnt keep within rules, and be trustworthy. should not deflect from investment in business being a good, AND NECESSARY, part of being a businessman. you may be playing devils advocate, but you could have picked a better anology.
 
Yes, but the investment never comes from the board members does it? You have to look at this in context. Only a couple of Premier League clubs make an operating profit, despite turnover at record levels, so to single out our board as being useless would appear to put them in good company. Of PL clubs I believe only Man Utd, Arsenal and Spurs make an operating profit. United are a commercial machine and make a **** load overseas, but even their large profits are drowned out by the debt their owners have saddled them with.

Arsenal and Spurs likewise make good money because they earn a lot (courtesy in part through living in London and charging waaaaay more than we could for tickets), and have kept costs (ie wages) relatively low.

So all this talk of speculating to accumulate is nuts. The only way we'll massively increase revenue is CL football. The equation you're looking at there is how much would we need to spend to get there and what is the probability of success considering the expenditure of other clubs around us. You're probably looking at big expenditure to compete with City, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal for that 4th spot, and even then looking at the operating losses seen by Chelsea, Liverpool and City the only way an owner would recoup that money would be via a sale, in which case you'd be looking for someone even wealthier that wouldn't mind losing money as well. It becomes a carousel.
 
Speculating to accumulate sounds like the Leeds model! Not to keen on that one! Sensible investment and increased revenue streams is the way forward.
 
Yes, but the investment never comes from the board members does it? You have to look at this in context. Only a couple of Premier League clubs make an operating profit, despite turnover at record levels, so to single out our board as being useless would appear to put them in good company. Of PL clubs I believe only Man Utd, Arsenal and Spurs make an operating profit. United are a commercial machine and make a **** load overseas, but even their large profits are drowned out by the debt their owners have saddled them with.

Arsenal and Spurs likewise make good money because they earn a lot (courtesy in part through living in London and charging waaaaay more than we could for tickets), and have kept costs (ie wages) relatively low.

So all this talk of speculating to accumulate is nuts. The only way we'll massively increase revenue is CL football. The equation you're looking at there is how much would we need to spend to get there and what is the probability of success considering the expenditure of other clubs around us. You're probably looking at big expenditure to compete with City, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal for that 4th spot, and even then looking at the operating losses seen by Chelsea, Liverpool and City the only way an owner would recoup that money would be via a sale, in which case you'd be looking for someone even wealthier that wouldn't mind losing money as well. It becomes a carousel.

hm, nice try. but you really dont understand my viewpoint. i dont believe we need a billionaire. when moyes came,it was on the understanding of ONE big signing per season. while this was happening , we improved season on season. we, against all odds, qualified for the champions league.
look at the last three seasons. the only money we have spent has been generated by player sales, usually after protracted negotiations etc. which means our deals are done late/rushed.
imagine if we had an owner who could finance the deals until the outgoing deals were concluded that could be the difference between a poor start, or a good one. getting players in early enough to gel with team mates, or a lack of cohesion at the start of the season.
the fact that we hace people on the board who could do this, but wont. and yet expect a nice profit off their shares when they sell. i find this abhorrent. i find they way the club has been run by the current board to be of a lower standard than other teams,why?
the lack of planning
the lack of ambition( 4th place minimul investment to push on)
the total lack of investment in GP added to two ground moves which were badly handled.

we have been run like a gentlemens club, not a football club. for all of bills "boys pen" bulls..t, he has just carried on the mismanagement we have had since john moores retired.i dont want a billionaire, just someone with a workable business plan, and the brains and passion to see it succeed.
 
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