The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[BlackToffee]

I'll try and be more precise with my language this time....the just cause for an investigation is there: one of the directors hold his shares via an offshore financial vehicle: BCR Sports based in the Virgin Islands. We have no idea who is behind that other than Earl's statement that its his family. We do know that Green has taken a close interest in Everton and introduced Earl to Kenwright to sort the Gregg shares out. In the context of what's been said today about Leeds' situation, all of that merits an inquiry that can provide compelling evidence either way concerning BCR and Earl's (and anyone elses) relationship to it.

I fully agree with you. The case for investigating is there. That is all, a prima facie case as Ive stated, not tons of evidence which you may convict anyone and send Everton into administration. We are, hopefully, on the same page. As for Nuzo Muzo, i'd save that stuff for the next Grisham novel. Full of so much conjecture (or is that bull****) with no evidence, its the only place for it.

 

[Chang Elephant]

I fully agree with you. The case for investigating is there. That is all, a prima facie case as Ive stated, not tons of evidence which you may convict anyone and send Everton into administration. We are, hopefully, on the same page. As for Nuzo Muzo, i'd save that stuff for the next Grisham novel. Full of so much conjecture (or is that bull****) with no evidence, its the only place for it.

Wyness the CEO is summoned to a meeting on a yacht with Pip Green, goes to it, and resigns shortly thereafter but that gives you no cause to suspect Green has power at Goodison?

You're not at all concerned that Wyness, Birch and Gregg are totally silent about their "interesting" times at the club.

 

[Matt Damon]

You only have to see what's happened to Nott's County to know that Robert Earl is nothing but a proxy.

Offshores, proxies and other stuff all over the shop that's for sure.

 

[BlackToffee]

Wyness the CEO is summoned to a meeting on a yacht with Pip Green, goes to it, and resigns shortly thereafter but that gives you no cause to suspect Green has power at Goodison?

You're not at all concerned that Wyness, Birch and Gregg are totally silent about their "interesting" times at the club.

why should I be? Did they all leave for the same reason. Doubt it.

Wyness left soon after trying to rent part of goodison park to the rs. By doing that, whatever else was going on, he was never going to stay after that stunt.
Birch the asset stripper left after telling Everton to sell everything (including Wayne Rooney), which the board rejected, but did anyway
Gregg left because he thought he could run Everton on more business lines and lost in a battle which cost Everton the Kings Dock

I'd be interested in what they have to say, but unless they speak up, I'm not going to simply think "it must be the evil Green /Kenwright axis. Facts me boy, facts, not conspiracy theories or conjecture. Facts.

Win me to your cause with well founded facts, I don't deal with conspiracy or conjecture. I'm not prepared to accept the first bit of information given to me without asking further questions.

 

[Matt Damon]

BCR Sports is an investment vehicle for Robert Earl. The company is registered in the British Virgin Islands. It owns 23% of Everton Football Club

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/oct/21/newsstory.sport5


An off shore that makes just who owns these shares, much more difficult to identify.

Deliberately so, that much is obvious.

 

[Chang Elephant]

why should I be? Did they all leave for the same reason. Doubt it.

Wyness left soon after trying to rent part of goodison park to the rs
Birch left after telling Everton to sell everything, which the board rejected, but did anyway
Gregg left because he thought he could run Everton on more business lines

I'd be interested in what they have to say, but unless they speak up, I'm not going to simply think "it must be the evil Green /Kenwright axis. Facts me boy, facts, not conspiracy theories or conjecture. Facts.

Win me to your cause with well founded facts, I don't deal with conspiracy or conjecture. I'm not prepared to accept the first bit of information given to me without asking further questions.

Fact - Wyness went to Green's yacht on the Med, resigned shortly thereafter even though the Kirkby escapade was in full flow.
Fact - Birch left a matter of weeks after joining.
Fact - Gregg left amidst a flurry of imminent investment from good friends of BK "Fortress" which dematerialised into thin air.

Educated conjecture - they've all got interesting detail on their time at the club and reasons for leaving.

Fact - none of them have gone on the record in any detail whatsoever.

Fact - gagging orders and litigation can be expensive when facing a billionaire.

Wake up baby.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

why should I be? Did they all leave for the same reason. Doubt it.

Wyness left soon after trying to rent part of goodison park to the rs. By doing that, whatever else was going on, he was never going to stay after that stunt.
Birch the asset stripper left after telling Everton to sell everything (including Wayne Rooney), which the board rejected, but did anyway
Gregg left because he thought he could run Everton on more business lines and lost in a battle which cost Everton the Kings Dock

I'd be interested in what they have to say, but unless they speak up, I'm not going to simply think "it must be the evil Green /Kenwright axis. Facts me boy, facts, not conspiracy theories or conjecture. Facts.

Win me to your cause with well founded facts, I don't deal with conspiracy or conjecture. I'm not prepared to accept the first bit of information given to me without asking further questions.

all is well in your eyes then at board level, because they are all covering their tracks and getting agreements signed and registering offshore so that nobody can disclose anything.
You say you need cold hard facts and not conjecture and rumour, whereas of course when any issue of race is brought into anything then the person is instantly guilty and the facts are required to not prove guilt but innocence.

 

[BlackToffee]

Fact - Wyness went to Green's yacht on the Med, resigned shortly thereafter even though the Kirkby escapade was in full flow. why?
Fact - Birch left a matter of weeks after joining. So what? Why?
Fact - Gregg left amidst a flurry of imminent investment from good friends of BK "Fortress" which dematerialised into thin air.
...we know this. Not BK's finest hour. And I hope that you're not expecting me to defend the indefensible.
Educated conjecture - they've all got interesting detail on their time at the club and reasons for leaving.
Interesting in what way?
Fact - none of them have gone on the record in any detail whatsoever. So?

Fact - gagging orders and litigation can be expensive when facing a billionaire. conjecture, nothing more.

Wake up baby.

And this is as interesting as **** on a bog roll. Spin me a good story tying all these events into the evil Green / Kenwright axis.

Why do people expect me to believe simply believe any Jackanory story put my way without full details?
I've already said that I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I don't also believe in coincidences.
I also don't believe in buying into things without some real facts supported by an explanation.
Next you'll be telling me that Kenwright takes out £250,000 per month from Everton. Oh, yeah, that one's been done already.
But hey, it sounds soooooo plausible.

 

[BlackToffee]

all is well in your eyes then at board level, because they are all covering their tracks and getting agreements signed and registering offshore so that nobody can disclose anything.
You say you need cold hard facts and not conjecture and rumour, whereas of course when any issue of race is brought into anything then the person is instantly guilty and the facts are required to not prove guilt but innocence.

Not true. The last one was about the guy who called Saha French. I gave an opinion. I also said that I did not know all the facts, but I also said that in the face of the evidence available to me that the sentence was harsh. I was also the only person who pointed out what he was charged with while everyone else was trying to say that all he did was utter the word french.

If you're gonna charge me with anything tred very, very carefully. I don't like my views taken out of context.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Not true. The last one was about the guy who called Saha French. I gave an opinion. I also said that I did not know all the facts, but I also said that in the face of the evidence available to me that the sentence was harsh. I was also the only person who pointed out what he was charged with while everyone else was trying to say that all he did was utter the word french.

If you're gonna charge me with anything tred very, very carefully. I don't like my views taken out of context.

You're a bit dopey though.

 

[BlackToffee]

You're a bit dopey though.

I like that, an intellectual response

Bit left field that, but made me laugh.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

why should I be? Did they all leave for the same reason. Doubt it.

Wyness left soon after trying to rent part of goodison park to the rs. By doing that, whatever else was going on, he was never going to stay after that stunt.
Birch the asset stripper left after telling Everton to sell everything (including Wayne Rooney), which the board rejected, but did anyway
Gregg left because he thought he could run Everton on more business lines and lost in a battle which cost Everton the Kings Dock

I'd be interested in what they have to say, but unless they speak up, I'm not going to simply think "it must be the evil Green /Kenwright axis. Facts me boy, facts, not conspiracy theories or conjecture. Facts.

Win me to your cause with well founded facts, I don't deal with conspiracy or conjecture. I'm not prepared to accept the first bit of information given to me without asking further questions.

Why would anyone on this forum be interested in winning you over? Get over yourself...it's simply about opinions, and everyones got one, and this is a forum to air those opinions.

As for facts surrounding ownership of a BVI registered holding company-forget it....It would never happen in a million years

 

[Neiler]

Lets be honest here, BT is right everyone is guessing. It is no more likely there will be a Goverment enquiry as a PL enquiry - which there are rules against an unamed owner. I beleive the name of owners also have to be registered with the company house under uk buissness law, though its a while since i looked at it.

Which all in all lead to mega breaches of rules/law - which is unlikely. You can bet your backside, this is water tight, even if Earl is a proxy and anything is ever said, all he has to say is that he lent his good mate Robert a few bob to buy an investment - not that it ever will.

As for BCR, arent most large shareholding held by a company, Bills had a few at this stage, i beleive its something to do with liability.

End of the day, there is no evidance, in fact as far as i know Green is on record as saying he doesnt own a part of Everton.

There isnt a chance in hell of an inquiry be it a football one or Politcal one and regardless of knowing or not knowing, money is unlikely to be put into the club.

Lastly in terms of investment, are people sure that that the present owners dont underwrite the club debt?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Lets be honest here, BT is right everyone is guessing. It is no more likely there will be a Goverment enquiry as a PL enquiry - which there are rules against an unamed owner. I beleive the name of owners also have to be registered with the company house under uk buissness law, though its a while since i looked at it. Which all in all lead to mega breaches which is unlikely. You can bet your backside, this is water tight, even if Earl is a proxy and anything is even said all he has to say is that he leant his good mate Robert a few bob to buy an investment - not that it ever will.

As for BCR, arent most large shareholding held by a company, Bills had a few at this stage, i beleive its something to do with liability.

End of the day, there is no evidance, in fact as far as i know Green is on record as saying he doesnt own a part of Everton. There isnt a chance in hell of an inquiry be it a football one or Politcal one and regardless of knowing or not knowing, money is unlikely to be put into the club.

Lastly in terms of investment, are people sure that that the present owners dont underwrite the club debt?

Bill has a large number of shares indeed, and he borrowed £8 million from Anita Gregg to purchase them, he paid her back within 12 months....my concern is where did he get that money from to pay he back? He's a crap businessman, and he's skint so where did the money come from?

 

[Neiler]

Bill has a large number of shares indeed, and he borrowed £8 million from Anita Gregg to purchase them, he paid her back within 12 months....my concern is where did he get that money from to pay he back? He's a crap businessman, and he's skint so where did the money come from?

His shareholding was part of Bill Kenwright Limited, a company that has a annual turnover of 46 mill with reserve capital of 11.7 mill.