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BlackToffee
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I accept what you say about this being about the board, but it also asks Evertonians of all persuasions to explain the meaning. It ain't obvious and as others have said, it allows opponents to make fun out of us in addition to cheapening to clubs image.
I personally wouldn't touch this version with a barge poll, but a version which lifts the club up and also protests would be something I'd buy into. Further the link up with Keioc won't win you more friends as they are so extreme, they're off the planet.
Silas
Player Valuation: £8m
The link with Keioc amongst others is only for the scarves as it is a general message of discontent, it isn't because we are going all extreme on ourselves. To be honest we are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. In the same day I have had several accusations of us being soft while others have accused us of being too hard.
neonleon
Player Valuation: £35m
I would make this clear not just on the forum, but on the website showing the scarves - as currently it isn't; it just says show your support by buying one of these.
What came of the fan conference?
Phenom
Player Valuation: £70m
Why is it you whinge at everything.
These guys may have got it wrong but they are trying, you moan at kenwright but WTF are you doing about it, these guys are putting a lot of hard work into trying to make our club a better one and instead of giving constructive criticism you just call it rotten!
All this coming from the original sniderman who used to go round neg repping people for fun, your a joke sir.
little curly alan ball
Player Valuation: £70m
You owe someone an apology - in the unlikely event that they will accept it , yet it needs offering anyway ...
Phenom
Player Valuation: £70m
He dont apologise he just runs away.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
There it is.
neonleon
Player Valuation: £35m
I'm not sure anyone needs to apologise.
I don't personally like us washing our dirty linen in public. A scarf that says no status no optimism seems a little hyperbolic for a club that already has significant status (historically and currently) and has finished in the top 7 (of one of the best leagues in the world) or better most seasons recently and a squad that despite a lack of funds seems to improve year on year. (coleman and possibly gueye this year, rodwell, distin the year before). Granted I have no optimism we'll spend 60million on players this summer but then what are we newcastle fans - its not just about parading round some multi millionaire signing. Moyes does what he does within known parameters. Can Evertonians for Change do something significant about those parameters (maybe, it would help if they could afford to buy the club)
We all want better, but is it realistic in this recession? Do new owners guarantee success? (something nobody ever wants to discuss because the answer's half the time don't fit their agendas) How many owners are altruistic billionaires who want to run the club like the fairy godmother mixed with father christmas and how many are hard nosed businessmen after aggressively leveraging profit from the tightest of margins and ticket prices, irrespective and regardless of on the field success? (more of the latter I would say).
The implications of some of these campaigns could realise new strategies for the board and the future of Everton. They could also simply harangue the current owner into selling the club (which I think is the real reason behind some of the people supporting this) to the first shyster to crawl from under a stone with a consortium of fast money, looking to turn a quick buck - which could have positive and negative consequences.
Before they get my vote for change, I'd want to know if we are going to change into Chelsea/City or change into Portsmouth/Charlton.
I think the points they raised on their website are valid ones and I support most of them. The scarf seems a little cheap and nasty, and I can't help but have sympathies with Matt that it does imply a disparaging attitude to the club as well as the current board.
Its not sacrosanct or anything but sly digs at the clubs motto doesn't engender the feeling they seem to be trying to rouse; it makes me less likely to support them not more, despite some laudable aims.
It's naive to thing the negative part of the new owner equation isn't a palpable reality. For the time I wish them well in their support for greater transparency from the club though. It's about time.
I don't personally like us washing our dirty linen in public. A scarf that says no status no optimism seems a little hyperbolic for a club that already has significant status (historically and currently) and has finished in the top 7 (of one of the best leagues in the world) or better most seasons recently and a squad that despite a lack of funds seems to improve year on year. (coleman and possibly gueye this year, rodwell, distin the year before). Granted I have no optimism we'll spend 60million on players this summer but then what are we newcastle fans - its not just about parading round some multi millionaire signing. Moyes does what he does within known parameters. Can Evertonians for Change do something significant about those parameters (maybe, it would help if they could afford to buy the club)
We all want better, but is it realistic in this recession? Do new owners guarantee success? (something nobody ever wants to discuss because the answer's half the time don't fit their agendas) How many owners are altruistic billionaires who want to run the club like the fairy godmother mixed with father christmas and how many are hard nosed businessmen after aggressively leveraging profit from the tightest of margins and ticket prices, irrespective and regardless of on the field success? (more of the latter I would say).
The implications of some of these campaigns could realise new strategies for the board and the future of Everton. They could also simply harangue the current owner into selling the club (which I think is the real reason behind some of the people supporting this) to the first shyster to crawl from under a stone with a consortium of fast money, looking to turn a quick buck - which could have positive and negative consequences.
Before they get my vote for change, I'd want to know if we are going to change into Chelsea/City or change into Portsmouth/Charlton.
I think the points they raised on their website are valid ones and I support most of them. The scarf seems a little cheap and nasty, and I can't help but have sympathies with Matt that it does imply a disparaging attitude to the club as well as the current board.
Its not sacrosanct or anything but sly digs at the clubs motto doesn't engender the feeling they seem to be trying to rouse; it makes me less likely to support them not more, despite some laudable aims.
It's naive to thing the negative part of the new owner equation isn't a palpable reality. For the time I wish them well in their support for greater transparency from the club though. It's about time.
Silas
Player Valuation: £8m
It's naive to thing the negative part of the new owner equation
I think this something we need to make clearer. A few people have said to me know, change for change's sake is no good and I totally agree. While "Evertonians for the right Change because we don't want to be another Blackburn" is a little wordy, we need to work on making sure people are aware we want the right sort of changes and once again to be fair to the club, last night's conference was a step in the right direction.
I think this something we need to make clearer. A few people have said to me know, change for change's sake is no good and I totally agree. While "Evertonians for the right Change because we don't want to be another Blackburn" is a little wordy, we need to work on making sure people are aware we want the right sort of changes and once again to be fair to the club, last night's conference was a step in the right direction.
neonleon
Player Valuation: £35m
I must admit there's considerable dissonance between the words of the website and the things you are saying (which all seems commendable) and the kenwright out at all costs people and the tacky scarf that all seems to come from a more militant and bitter faction.
Phenom
Player Valuation: £70m
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