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[Bruce Wayne]

This is debt to GDP for our closest European neighbours (to pre-Covid). Germany is an obvious outlier but our trend compared to France isn't massively different and France during that growth period was run by the socialist Francois Hollande.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's important to look at debt to GDP, as GDP has risen pretty swiftly in that period as well (for each country)

 

[NathDogg]

The tories are only the party of finance and of fiscal responsibility to their wealthy backers and supporters and the elite who can’t vote for any other party no matter what they do. The rest of us don’t matter or are expendable, even the red wall voters who flipped.

It’s the biggest con in the conservatives that they have managed to convince working class voters in the north that they are the party for them, via racism, bigotry and a lack of competence and understanding from these voters, due to poor educational standards.

It was one of the most saddening things I have ever seen during the last election, when the red wall fell.

 

[DuuuncanHadaPigeon]

It's important to look at debt to GDP, as GDP has risen pretty swiftly in that period as well (for each country)

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WTF Happened In 1971?

"I don't believe we shall ever have a good money again before we take the thing out of the hands of government, that is, we can't take it violently out of the hands of government, all we can do is by some sly roundabout way introduce something that they can't stop." - F.A. Hayek 1984…

wtfhappenedin1971.com

 

[peteblue]

I'm not sure you can really use that as an argument though, in much the same way you couldn't really use it to have a go at the Brown administration for borrowing heavily to respond to the financial crisis in 2007/8. Governments everywhere have borrowed vast sums to get through Brexit, and with interest rates so low that was probably the sensible thing to do. So raising national debt probably isn't something to have a go on, but the amount of money that was wasted almost certainly is.

I think you mean Covid, but carry on blaming Brexit for everything……

 

[Blue 1]

Here's the thing about how search engines work, Nadine...

 

[mahermi1]

I think you mean Covid, but carry on blaming Brexit for everything……

and £4billion worth of worthless ppe being burnt, another government success story Pete, but you just keep patting him and his burnt out government on the back.

 

[Blues Harp]

Was listening to Eddie Mair's destruction of the incompetent blob aka Therese Coffey over Bozo's non existent housing policy announced following his"victory" in the voc.
This was on LBC today...no wonder ministers are reticent to be interviewed by him.

 

[peteblue]

Hasn't the National debt doubled or even tripled under their tenure ? I mean Starmer ripped Boris apart on pmq's over Johnson saying taxes were down under them. Starmer rightly corrected, while laughing, that there had been 16 tax rises under the Tories.
I mean cost of living through the roof, food prices, petrol prices, energy bills, insurance bills, National Insurance up. Have they got anything right over the economy ? Awaits Peteblue to pop out from down under again...

There’s a great article on our front page about the spirit of the blues, it’s almost a football comparison with some of the debates in here.

I particularly liked this bit “Often taking a balanced view is unacceptable to those who have an entrenched position and will only focus on their sole perspective. There is no room for nuance or space to allow ambiguity or intelligent interpretations to breathe. I call this the Everton Overton Window, a name given to the political tactic of narrowing the ‘window of discourse’, controlling one side’s ‘acceptable’ views, attaching labels to reinforce certain perspectives. It’s group think, cognitive homogeneity, which deliberately undermines debate, restricts discussion, and presents a binary choice of ‘With Us’ or ‘Agin’ Us’. It polarises arguments too much and examines dynamics too little.”…….

 

[Shevin Keedy]

There’s a great article on our front page about the spirit of the blues, it’s almost a football comparison with some of the debates in here.

I particularly liked this bit “Often taking a balanced view is unacceptable to those who have an entrenched position and will only focus on their sole perspective. There is no room for nuance or space to allow ambiguity or intelligent interpretations to breathe. I call this the Everton Overton Window, a name given to the political tactic of narrowing the ‘window of discourse’, controlling one side’s ‘acceptable’ views, attaching labels to reinforce certain perspectives. It’s group think, cognitive homogeneity, which deliberately undermines debate, restricts discussion, and presents a binary choice of ‘With Us’ or ‘Agin’ Us’. It polarises arguments too much and examines dynamics too little.”…….

You have finally begun to understand that you may hold an unbalanced and biased viewpoint then?

Well I never thought I'd see the day.

 

[mahermi1]

There’s a great article on our front page about the spirit of the blues, it’s almost a football comparison with some of the debates in here.

I particularly liked this bit “Often taking a balanced view is unacceptable to those who have an entrenched position and will only focus on their sole perspective. There is no room for nuance or space to allow ambiguity or intelligent interpretations to breathe. I call this the Everton Overton Window, a name given to the political tactic of narrowing the ‘window of discourse’, controlling one side’s ‘acceptable’ views, attaching labels to reinforce certain perspectives. It’s group think, cognitive homogeneity, which deliberately undermines debate, restricts discussion, and presents a binary choice of ‘With Us’ or ‘Agin’ Us’. It polarises arguments too much and examines dynamics too little.”…….

Yeah great speech Pete, thank god you have no political leanings, alliance's or favouritism. I now thankfully consider myself fully educated and without prejudice like yourself. Have you come out for air mate or does it still smell of Roses in Johnsons hindquarters lol

 

[Thomasc]

Hasn't the National debt doubled or even tripled under their tenure ? I mean Starmer ripped Boris apart on pmq's over Johnson saying taxes were down under them. Starmer rightly corrected, while laughing, that there had been 16 tax rises under the Tories.
I mean cost of living through the roof, food prices, petrol prices, energy bills, insurance bills, National Insurance up. Have they got anything right over the economy ? Awaits Peteblue to pop out from down under again...

It’s nearly double mate and they have created more debt than any 1 party during the term they have been in power.

 

[mahermi1]

It’s nearly double mate and they have created more debt than any 1 party during the term they have been in power.

My mistake mate, ta for correcting.

 

[peteblue]

Yeah great speech Pete, thank god you have no political leanings, alliance's or favouritism. I now thankfully consider myself fully educated and without prejudice like yourself. Have you come out for air mate or does it still smell of Roses in Johnsons hindquarters lol

I accept your comments with the usual good humour I try to bring to our conversations. The groupthink comment however struck a chord however….

 

[peteblue]

You have finally begun to understand that you may hold an unbalanced and biased viewpoint then?

Well I never thought I'd see the day.

You are merely part of Gots groupthink….