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I think the Lord's are seen as a 'check' on government. The fact they are unelected is the problem. Unelected people were effectively able to block elected MPs. Both sides always tried to load up the Lords with their peers. It's a shambles really. Time for a second elected house imo.

Are you sure you really want it as an elected house given what this country have voted for the last decade? It’s not ideal as is but does tend to get some of the more controversial legislation “checked” and amended.
 
Are you sure you really want it as an elected house given what this country have voted for the last decade? It’s not ideal as is but does tend to get some of the more controversial legislation “checked” and amended.
The Lords have indeed pulled a few out of the bag but they are appointed by and aligned with the government of the time. Hardly impartial, in fact, used as a reward/bribe often. Since the hereditary peers were banned from voting in the Lords, that's no longer an issue and some sort of independent appointment system might work.

I do agree, however, that an elected upper house could pose as many problems as the present system but it reeks of grace and favours. I would have thought that a system completed separate from the govt would be the fairest. A few ordinary, talented people from communities might help too.
 
I don't get this to be such a massive issue. If you haven't got photo ID then get some , as long as they gave us fair warning?

Plus you need photo ID for loads more than just voting, buying alcohol for example. It's not restricted to just voting, nobody is arsed that 1 in 10 cannot buy their white lightning.
Some of the poorest people in society haven’t got a form of ID. It’s believed to be about 3m people, in fact. The cost of living is rising hugely so I can’t imagine people are going to prioritise spending £34 on a provisional driving licence, which is the cheapest form of ID to my knowledge.

These people are very unlikely to vote for the Conservatives. Besides, voting fraud is something that is barely even a thing. This is voting suppression.
 
Some of the poorest people in society haven’t got a form of ID. It’s believed to be about 3m people, in fact. The cost of living is rising hugely so I can’t imagine people are going to prioritise spending £34 on a provisional driving licence, which is the cheapest form of ID to my knowledge.

These people are very unlikely to vote for the Conservatives. Besi4des, voting fraud is something that is barely even a thing. This is voting suppression.
This is what I mean about Principe politics. In principle it's a very valid point that I can't disagree with.

However in real life you need more than just saying 1 in 10 doesn't have ID therefore it's purposely shutting down voters. For a starters the 40% with ID based on that statement that don't vote, that is something important.

Away from that , do the 10% want to vote, will they vote if given ID, why don't they have ID and most importantly , who are the 10% in the country? Do they vote now and can't with this measure?

See what I mean? Just saying 1 in 10 in principle sounds like it's a major statement but it doesn't answer any of the above. It doesn't tell you anything or have any meaning beyond its face value.

There is a video from Australia I saw recently where a group of women in parliament there were saying men get paid more than women. In principle it was true , however one (of many) questions that was posed to them that they didn't have an answer to was do men work more hours than women overall to have that more income? Point being, face value men maybe do make more money in average but underneath that statement , men earn more probably because they work more hours and women on average work less hours, collectively not individually as was their whole statement.
 
This is what I mean about Principe politics. In principle it's a very valid point that I can't disagree with.

However in real life you need more than just saying 1 in 10 doesn't have ID therefore it's purposely shutting down voters. For a starters the 40% with ID based on that statement that don't vote, that is something important.

Away from that , do the 10% want to vote, will they vote if given ID, why don't they have ID and most importantly , who are the 10% in the country? Do they vote now and can't with this measure?

See what I mean? Just saying 1 in 10 in principle sounds like it's a major statement but it doesn't answer any of the above. It doesn't tell you anything or have any meaning beyond its face value.

There is a video from Australia I saw recently where a group of women in parliament there were saying men get paid more than women. In principle it was true , however one (of many) questions that was posed to them that they didn't have an answer to was do men work more hours than women overall to have that more income? Point being, face value men maybe do make more money in average but underneath that statement , men earn more probably because they work more hours and women on average work less hours, collectively not individually as was their whole statement.
 
I think the easiest way to ensure no jibes about election fixing are can happen. Just give everyone id for free.
Do we really need to charge for a passport?
Or in the age of having to show proof of vaccination, tests etc stick a picture of you on your NHS app. Done.

Won't happen though.
 
So the Tories have culled the most physically vulnerable people by letting Covid rip.

Now they are about to cull the most financially vulnerable people with huge cost of living increases, increasing interest rates and mortgage costs and a massive reduction in the real value of people’s wages.

Well done you bunch of muppets!
 
This report on Boris’ parties.

It’s not independent.

The language being used by government ministers seems to suggest that, surprise surprise, the report will not be damming against BJ and it will all be swept under the no10 carpet.
 
This report on Boris’ parties.

It’s not independent.

The language being used by government ministers seems to suggest that, surprise surprise, the report will not be damming against BJ and it will all be swept under the no10 carpet.
No other outcome could possibly be expected. The whole situation is a disgrace.
However, the thing that bothers me as much as the non compliance with the lock down rules, is the boozing culture that is built into the No10 operation.
So called drinks parties appear to be an almost daily feature. This according to previous employees of the place.
So, how much does alcohol influence the procedures, business and decisions made at No10. Is the country being run by a bunch of alcoholics?
Could explain a lot of strange things coming out of the place.
 
"I have never been threatened or blackmailed by a Minister, Whip or SPAD. It wouldn't work with me and I'm not sure it would work with any other colleague". - Anthony Mangnall, Conservative MP for Totnes and South Devon.

"If I reported every time I had been threatened by a Whip or if a Whip reported every time I had threatened them, the police wouldn't have any time to conduct any other police work" - Michael Fabricant, Conservative MP for Lichfield.

Ooops. They've done it again.

Mangnall is about 10 years old and has only been an MP since 2019, bless him.
 
This report on Boris’ parties.

It’s not independent.

The language being used by government ministers seems to suggest that, surprise surprise, the report will not be damming against BJ and it will all be swept under the no10 carpet.

Sue Gray is a civil servant insider who knows her role.

The most powerful person you've never heard of - BBC News

https://www.bbc.co.uk › news › uk-politics-33431580

Partygate investigator helped shield No.10 from scrutiny over ...

https://www.opendemocracy.net › partygate-investigato...

Sue Gray: How 'partygate' investigator stonewalled ...

https://www.opendemocracy.net › opendemocracyuk
 
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