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Wonder if the ghost wards up and down the country are contributing to waiting time crisis in A&Es.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/92901/nhs-ghost-wards-1400-beds-unused-due-to-lack-of-staff-or-funding


With respect, that's not even close to being true, and I'm not sure you're getting me. This government are undoubtedly bungling oafs, but they have practically no involvement in the day to day running of the NHS. There is a CEO for NHS England, and CEOs of each individual trust. They're ultimately accountable for how services are provided, whilst we're ultimately accountable for how we (ab)use the service.

The fact is, I doubt more than 1% of the population could name the boss of their local NHS trust, or indeed the boss of NHS England, so Hunt becomes the lightning rod for the NHS when in reality he has very little influence.

Oh I get it, its all the fault of the individuals that conspire against the Tory Government policies and funding choices, then oppositions just try and make political capital of these situations. If they just all shut up , doffed their caps and be generally thankful for their lot, it would be Tory utopia.....
 
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Wonder if the ghost wards up and down the country are contributing to waiting time crisis in A&Es.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/92901/nhs-ghost-wards-1400-beds-unused-due-to-lack-of-staff-or-funding

Oh I get it, its all the fault of the individuals that conspire against the Tory Government policies and funding choices, then oppositions just try and make political capital of these situations. If they just all shut up , doffed their caps and be generally thankful for their lot, it would be Tory utopia.....

See, that's not exactly a sensible comment is it? There are many challenges facing the NHS, and some might argue that the funding it receives is one such challenge, but it isn't the only one. It's clear that you want to remain in your incredibly simplified view of a service you seem to have no clue about, so I'll leave you to cuss the Tories to your hearts content.
 
See, that's not exactly a sensible comment is it? There are many challenges facing the NHS, and some might argue that the funding it receives is one such challenge, but it isn't the only one. It's clear that you want to remain in your incredibly simplified view of a service you seem to have no clue about, so I'll leave you to cuss the Tories to your hearts content.

Thankyou as it's not brain surgery why the NHS is now beginig to struggle And probably best to leave you believing the NHS has got nothing to do with Governments.Of course a view thats is at odds with many people that work in the NHS also their professional practice representations.
Odd the professional Tories have also not wanted to play politics with many issues recently, bleating, lets not politicalise or be red and blue about, bless their cotton socks.:)
 
Amber Rudd - 'please tell her community that the home office is here to help them'. Why do members of the Caribbean community, many soldiers who fought in WW2, need help when it was May who created the problem with her drive to get immigration down.

Does the Home Office help include sending letters, to people who are legally entitled to be in the UK, threatening them with deportation.
 
What have we learnt today about how the Tories treat black people. In 1968 the Tory Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of blood speech' was the rallying cry for mass deportation of black people. Fifty years later his dream has come true, as the Tories planned to kick out those legally allowed to stay in the UK. This inhumane act was set in motion by May when she was Home Office Minister and carried on by Rudd. The despicable Rudd's comment 'the home office is here to help' will ring hollow with those that have received letters telling them they are not wanted. Some even served in the armed forces during WW2. But 'the rules are rules' which are made by the Tories to get immigration down will hold no truck with black people.
 
Tories admit they have illegally deported people to the Caribbean. How inhumane to split up families, cause heartache and distress, kicked out of work with no valid reason.

Even though parliamentary democracy no longer has much validity, Labour should still call for a vote of no confidence in May who set this despicable act in motion.
 
Tories admit they have illegally deported people to the Caribbean. How inhumane to split up families, cause heartache and distress, kicked out of work with no valid reason.

Even though parliamentary democracy no longer has much validity, Labour should still call for a vote of no confidence in May who set this despicable act in motion.

Cock up rather than conspiracy as far as I can see.
 
Cock up rather than conspiracy as far as I can see.

If it is revealed that people were deported illegally when May was home office minister then that is a resigning issue. The Tories made it clear they wanted 'illegals' out and sent that message to the likes of Capita.

Capita gets contract to find 174,000 illegal immigrants - BBC News 2012. Home Secretary Theresa May 2010 -2016.

Home Office 'go home' texts sent to people with right to remain ...

In 2013 this appeared. Home office minister Theresa May.

Home Office ‘go home’ texts sent to people with right to remain
More than 140 complaints have been made over Home Office texts wrongly accusing people of being illegal immigrants and demanding that they leave the country.
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Home Office ads displayed on billboards carried by vans in six London boroughs Photo: EPA

By Hayley Dixon

8:16AM BST 18 Oct 2013

"Announcing the contract during a session of the Commons home affairs select committee, the UKBA’s chief executive Rob Whiteman told MPs: “Capita will be paid for the number of people who they make contact with and leave. If nobody leaves because they make contact with them, nobody will get paid.” Further details, such as the targets Capita has to meet in order to receive payments, have not been revealed. This led the chair of the select committee, Keith Vaz MP, to comment that the company would be “laughing all the way to the bank.” Home office minister Theresa May.

Operation 'get immigrants'.

"Home Secretary Theresa May has been criticised for claiming that an illegal immigrant avoided deportation because of his pet cat.

She told the Conservative conference the ruling illustrated the problem with human rights laws, but England's top judges said she had got it wrong.

Her Cabinet colleague Ken Clarke said he had been "surprised" by the claim and could not believe it was true.

And human rights campaigners said Mrs May should get "her facts straight".

No wonder those with the right to stay in the UK were deported.

This may not end well for May. It will depend how much the Commonwealth takes this issue up with her. Labour should want to know from her why so many people were illegally deported. The Chair of the Home Office select committee Yvette Cooper should order May to appear before them to answer questions.
 
If it is revealed that people were deported illegally when May was home office minister then that is a resigning issue. The Tories made it clear they wanted 'illegals' out and sent that message to the likes of Capita.

Capita gets contract to find 174,000 illegal immigrants - BBC News 2012. Home Secretary Theresa May 2010 -2016.

Home Office 'go home' texts sent to people with right to remain ...

In 2013 this appeared. Home office minister Theresa May.

Home Office ‘go home’ texts sent to people with right to remain
More than 140 complaints have been made over Home Office texts wrongly accusing people of being illegal immigrants and demanding that they leave the country.
go-home-ad_2636802b.jpg

Home Office ads displayed on billboards carried by vans in six London boroughs Photo: EPA

By Hayley Dixon

8:16AM BST 18 Oct 2013

"Announcing the contract during a session of the Commons home affairs select committee, the UKBA’s chief executive Rob Whiteman told MPs: “Capita will be paid for the number of people who they make contact with and leave. If nobody leaves because they make contact with them, nobody will get paid.” Further details, such as the targets Capita has to meet in order to receive payments, have not been revealed. This led the chair of the select committee, Keith Vaz MP, to comment that the company would be “laughing all the way to the bank.” Home office minister Theresa May.

Operation 'get immigrants'.

"Home Secretary Theresa May has been criticised for claiming that an illegal immigrant avoided deportation because of his pet cat.

She told the Conservative conference the ruling illustrated the problem with human rights laws, but England's top judges said she had got it wrong.

Her Cabinet colleague Ken Clarke said he had been "surprised" by the claim and could not believe it was true.

And human rights campaigners said Mrs May should get "her facts straight".

No wonder those with the right to stay in the UK were deported.

This may not end well for May. It will depend how much the Commonwealth takes this issue up with her. Labour should want to know from her why so many people were illegally deported. The Chair of the Home Office select committee Yvette Cooper should order May to appear before them to answer questions.

I mean the Windrush generation not having the right paperwork from 40 plus years ago was a cock up.
 
I mean the Windrush generation not having the right paperwork from 40 plus years ago was a cock up.

A proper cock up. Our Home Office have no problem supplying documentation for illegal immigrants, but as soon as a justifiable case arrives, kids of soldiers posted overseas, or in this case the Windrush, they go overboard to make life difficult and kick them out. I swear it is a deliberate policy to wind us all up........
 
The Windrush wasn't a cock up but a deliberate policy to get immigration down. This could be May's last stand if there is an found out that when she was home secretary she deported Windrush people. The 'apology' was Rudd's attempt to save her boss who introduced heartless policy to get Commonwealth immigration down. May should make a statement today apologising for the heartache caused to so many people. The Commonwealth should set up an inquiry, with no UK representative, to investigate this callous disregard for people and their families.

Immigration and asylum
Windrush U-turn is welcome, but May's policy was just cruel


Only a few weeks ago, the PM insisted on a harsh line on Commonwealth immigration

Amelia Gentleman

@ameliagentleman
Mon 16 Apr 2018 19.52 BSTLast modified on Mon 16 Apr 2018 22.23 BST



Theresa May leaves Downing Street on 16 April. Photograph: Wiktor Szymanowicz/Barcroft Images
For years, the government’s approach to Windrush children with immigration problems has been both absurd and cruel.

Over the past five months, as this scandal gradually unfolded, the Guardian has documented numerous cases of retirement-age UK residents who have described how the Home Office’s refusal to believe that they are in the UK legally has ruined their lives. Many have cried as they explained how upsetting it is to be classed as an illegal immigrant after more than 50 years in the UK, studying, working, bringing up children in a country they believed to be their own.

The extent of official Home Office heartlessness has been staggering, so it is encouraging to hear the home secretary, Amber Rudd, acknowledge belatedlythat the treatment meted out by her department has been “appalling”, and to recognise that the Home Office has become “too concerned with policy”, causing it “lose sight of the individual”.

Ministers are promising now to deal with cases “sensitively”. Let’s see if that sensitivity actually materialises. It’s worth remembering that, less than a month ago, Theresa May chose to take a very harsh position on this issue.

She was called on at prime minister’s questions to look into the case of Albert Thompson (not his real name) who is still being refused free NHS treatment by the Royal Marsden Hospital, five months after his radiotherapy was due to start. She showed no sensitivity to the case and refused to intervene, stating that Thompson needed to “evidence his settled status in the UK”. Thompson, a Jamaican-born son of a nurse who has lived and worked in the UK since he was a teenager, 44 years ago, remains profoundly worried about the impact that the delayed treatment is having on his health.

This is an extraordinary government U-turn. It is remarkable that officials have decided they want to be sensitive today, when for months they have been holding an obstinately firm line on this issue. Repeatedly, when the Guardian has contacted the Home Office to highlight cases of people who have lost their jobs, their homes, or been unable to get passports to travel to visit dying parents, officials have indicated that the fault lies with the individual, for failing to provide enough evidence of their right to be here.


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Paulette Wilson with her daughter, Natalie Barnes. Photograph: Fabio De Paola for the Guardian
It’s hard to pick out the harshest example of unfair treatment from a whole catalogue of extreme official meanness, but the case of Paulette Wilson sticks out. For 18 months, Natalie Barnes accompanied her mother, Paulette, when she went to sign in monthly at the Home Office reporting centre in Wolverhampton, as demanded by the immigration officials, who had noticed that Wilson had no papers proving she was here legally.

Barnes tried repeatedly to explain to staff that her mother, 61, a former cook who had lived in the UK for over 50 years, and who had worked in the House of Commons serving food to MPs, was not an illegal immigrant. Occasionally she got angry and sometimes very upset as she attempted in vain to persuade officials that a mistake had been made.

Eventually, Home Office workers at the reporting centre got so fed up with her that she was banned from entering the building, and her mother had to go in alone. In October, without her daughter to argue for her, Wilson was detained and sent to Yarl’s Wood immigration removal centre, ahead of deportation to Jamaica, a country she had not visited since 1968. Barnes can’t remember how many times she explained to staff they had got it wrong, but the culture of disbelief that runs through the Home Office meant she was not listened to.

Equally, it’s hard to understand why Home Office staff and police needed to take a battering ram to smash down Anthony Bryan’s door
when they came early one Sunday morning last November to detain him. He opened the door willingly when they arrived, so it wasn’t used; he was taken into detention for the second time, despite having lived an entirely law-abiding life in this country for more than 50 years, working and paying taxes.

Small details of official callousness are particularly upsetting. Judy Griffith, 63, who came from Barbados in 1963 when she was nine, had been trying to sort out her status for years, and queued for five hours in a Home Office processing centre on 27 December, to be told that, although officials believed her claim was valid, she was “not on the system”. She received a letter in January stating that new checks needed to be made, adding: “Please note it is no longer possible to make an enquiry in person. Please telephone the number on this letter in the first instance if you need to contact us.” There was no telephone number on the letter.

The government is under pressure now, more than ever before, to abandon this “hostile immigration environment” which Theresa May introduced when she was Home Secretary.


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The home secretary, Amber Rudd. Photograph: Chris J Ratcliffe/Getty Images
The Home Office readily admits that these newly-tightened immigration rules are what is behind the Windrush problem, acknowledging in a new briefing paper that: “Recent changes to the law mean that if you wish to work, rent property or have access to benefits and services in the UK then you will need documents to demonstrate your right to be in the UK. The government believes this is a proportionate measure to maintain effective immigration control.” The guidance note adds: “We recognise that this is causing problems for some individuals who have lost documents over the long period of time they have been in the UK.”

The government position appears to have softened significantly with Rudd’s admission on Monday that things have gone wrong in her department. On Friday, the Home Office was still recommending that people in this situation should get legal advice – despite the fact that legal costs are often unaffordable to people whose immigration problems mean they can neither work nor claim benefits (and are often homeless, and struggling with debt as a result); legal aid cuts mean it is unavailable for most immigration matters. The announcement waives application fees and the new team of 20 dedicated Home Office staff members should remove the need for the involvement of expensive lawyers.

Natalie Barnes said she and her mother, Paulette Wilson, were overwhelmed at the news. “We had no support. We never met a case worker, we just kept being told by a man behind the glass in the reporting office: you need to bring more evidence; they were rude,” she said. “This has been very traumatic for my mum; she tries not to show, but I can see it in her eyes. It’s been really hard for her but I feel very happy for everyone else in this situation. Knowing that they have people trying to help them sort it out will make a huge difference.”

For years it has been left to tiny charities like Praxis and St Mungo’s in London and the Refugee and Migrant Centre in Wolverhampton to pick up the shattered lives of Windrush generation people fighting to regularise their immigration status. They will be watching to see whether their case load reduces in the wake of these announcements, or if the official policy of cruelty will persist".
 
Understand that I write this as someone that is both a huge advocate of immigration and who would be only too happy with open borders, but this isn't just a Tory thing is it? It's not like they're hellbent on doing something that most of the public don't actually want.

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox....ation-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/

Some 75% of the British public seem to want to reduce immigration, with over half of them by a significant amount, with just 4% wanting it increased. It baffles me where this attitude has come from, but I do wonder if the anger with the Windrush thing is because they're clearly making a pigs arse of the whole affair, or whether they're deporting people in general.
 
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