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[Bruce Wayne]

Did she really think she needed a name badge that said 'home secretary'?

It's grim, like it's all a game.

 

[ste d' indica]

Imaging making Michael Howard look a bit of a 'soft lefty'.... horror of a woman.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Think a lot of people are in favour of some form of public ownership in many sectors but it was the wrong argument to pitch at that time. Many people didn’t want to hear an argument for nationalising railways whilst Brexit was raging on. Was woefully misguided.

The “Great British Railways” label will soon morph into “Late British Railways”.
Meet the new trains, same as the old trains.

 

[Alan Whittle]

It's grim, like it's all a game.

Firing up the base.

 

[ste d' indica]

It's grim, like it's all a game.

That's all it is for most of them mate.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

TBF that sort of thing should always be pitched; it is after all a symptom of the same malaise that has led to Brexit.

The baffling thing is why all major parties were in favour of the old franchise system.

Exactly
Our extortionate utilities and services are all owned by pension firms and big business' in other countries who squeeze every last penny out of us. Why Corbyn should not discuss this during Brexit is weird.

 

[ste d' indica]

The “Great British Railways” label will soon morph into “Late British Railways”.
Meet the new trains, same as the old trains.

That dimwit 'Sock Puppet Schapps' was on the radio this morning guffawing about British Rail and how 'they' closed lines and 'they' sold the trains.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Firing up the base.

The suggestion is that it is a raid to stop 'people smuggling', 'Human Trafficking', 'Modern Slavery'. Think the official line is people smuggling, but others have removed any nuance as a means to shame the 'liberal left'.

I don't see any issue with Politicians observing policy in action, it should help to provide context to policy decisions.

That said, recent policy has sought to criminalisze and create hostility regardless of circumstance. So it looks divisive because those that think her reputation as a tough talker and non nonsense minister will think it's great and those that think of her as a bully and authoritarian will think it further demonstration of a bully in action.

The question is - for all the hostile policy and laws which seems to be applied more broadly year on year, what is the outcome? Illegal migration is estimated at around 600,000 (conservatively) to around 1.2m. which is an increase year on year for the last 10 years (when the hostile policy announcement was enacted). Instead, we've made it harder for legitimate asylum seekers and refugees, the most vulnerable, to access services and recognition of their status (both before and after decision). Those that should protect vulnerable people, including AS and Refugees, are now more often than not, just part of system enforcement and surveillance and actively creates undocumented individuals rather than adheres to a sound legal process.

She's effectively championing her own and her own departments failures - unless that's not the intention.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The suggestion is that it is a raid to stop 'people smuggling', 'Human Trafficking', 'Modern Slavery'. Think the official line is people smuggling, but others have removed any nuance as a means to shame the 'liberal left'.

I don't see any issue with Politicians observing policy in action, it should help to provide context to policy decisions.

That said, recent policy has sought to criminalisze and create hostility regardless of circumstance. So it looks divisive because those that think her reputation as a tough talker and non nonsense minister will think it's great and those that think of her as a bully and authoritarian will think it further demonstration of a bully in action.

The question is - for all the hostile policy and laws which seems to be applied more broadly year on year, what is the outcome? Illegal migration is estimated at around 600,000 (conservatively) to around 1.2m. which is an increase year on year for the last 10 years (when the hostile policy announcement was enacted). Instead, we've made it harder for legitimate asylum seekers and refugees, the most vulnerable, to access services and recognition of their status (both before and after decision). Those that should protect vulnerable people, including AS and Refugees, are now more often than not, just part of system enforcement and surveillance and actively creates undocumented individuals rather than adheres to a sound legal process.

She's effectively championing her own and her own departments failures - unless that's not the intention.

There was a paper I read yesterday about migration in Czech that I feel sums things up here too, as officials know full well that migration is incredibly beneficial to the country, and yet we have this weird environment whereby they have whipped up fear and animosity towards migrants among the people by generation after generation of scapegoating them for all manner of society's ills. So they have to create this superficial veneer of being tough and bastardly while secretly wanting to be welcoming. It's an absurd situation that is completely of their own making.

 

[Jebus_lives]

There was a paper I read yesterday about migration in Czech that I feel sums things up here too, as officials know full well that migration is incredibly beneficial to the country, and yet we have this weird environment whereby they have whipped up fear and animosity towards migrants among the people by generation after generation of scapegoating them for all manner of society's ills. So they have to create this superficial veneer of being tough and bastardly while secretly wanting to be welcoming. It's an absurd situation that is completely of their own making.

Quite.

 

[arminisgod]

if people are going to post crap like that at least post the facts also.

It's not an immigration raid, it was a raid on 2 people who are thought to be the behind the biggest network of people smuggling in the uk

 

[Jebus_lives]

if people are going to post crap like that at least post the facts also.

It's not an immigration raid, it was a raid on 2 people who are thought to be the behind the biggest network of people smuggling in the uk

Where's that from?

Because nothing says 'head of organised crime network' like a rooftop flat and MC Hammer pants.

 

[Alan Whittle]

if people are going to post crap like that at least post the facts also.

It's not an immigration raid, it was a raid on 2 people who are thought to be the behind the biggest network of people smuggling in the uk

“Post the facts”
“thought to be”
Now which is it? You don’t know do you?

 

[arminisgod]

“Post the facts”
“thought to be”
Now which is it? You don’t know do you?

The police put a link up to the operation

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The police put a link up to the operation

And they told you not to share it?