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[NilSatisOptimum]

The all inclusive Conservative Party welcome's it's newest recruit... Putting Britain First.

Paul Golding. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Golding

Britain First leader officially joins Conservative Party: 'Boris Johnson is like us'

PM ‘obviously a populist nationalist under the surface, like the type of patriotism promoted by’ far-right group, statement says

www.independent.co.uk

 

[dannyboy]

I still can't get over him painting himself as the leader of a people's government whilst he holidays in a £40,000 a week villa.

 

[Barnfred 55]

The all inclusive Conservative Party welcome's it's newest recruit... Putting Britain First.

Paul Golding. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Golding

Britain First leader officially joins Conservative Party: 'Boris Johnson is like us'

PM ‘obviously a populist nationalist under the surface, like the type of patriotism promoted by’ far-right group, statement says

www.independent.co.uk

Did you even read the article?

 

[Blue 1]

I still can't get over him painting himself as the leader of a people's government whilst he holidays in a £40,000 a week villa.

He can go and self-immolate, the scruffy dog nonce.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Did you even read the article?

Yes.
Golding Leader of Britain First feels compelled to join the Conservative Party. Now normally people join a political Party because they agree with its policy agenda!?
Did you read it?

 

[Toffeeslam]

Yes.
Golding Leader of Britain First feels compelled to join the Conservative Party. Now normally people join a political Party because they agree with its policy agenda!?
Did you read it?

The fact he was allowed to join with his xenophobic views just goes to show what type of party the Tories are.

What’s more embarrassing is that people in the Labour heartlands voted for this lot think that it will improve their situation.....in won’t and in fact it will get worse for them.

Oh well we elected a clown as prime minister and if you elect a clown you end up with a circus

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The fact he was allowed to join with his xenophobic views just goes to show what type of party the Tories are.

What’s more embarrassing is that people in the Labour heartlands voted for this lot think that it will improve their situation.....in won’t and in fact it will get worse for them.

Oh well we elected a clown as prime minister and if you elect a clown you end up with a circus

Indeed, whether or not he is removed is besides the point. It's the fact he feels compelled to join the Conservative Party. The Tories evidently speak to a Britain First mindset.

However, why people voted this supposed clown is more complicated than suggested.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Yes.
Golding Leader of Britain First feels compelled to join the Conservative Party. Now normally people join a political Party because they agree with its policy agenda!?
Did you read it?

I did indeed.

I was more referring to your own comments below rather than the article itself, which I believe were misleading at best.

The all inclusive Conservative Party welcome's it's newest recruit... Putting Britain First.

The Tory party, whether you like it or not, ban members of far right wing .organisations from being members. The article itself actually acknowledges that the said membership will be reviewed and most probably declined. They may need to clean up there act on vetting new members, but they certainly aren't all welcoming of far right activists as you were trying to portray.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I did indeed.

I was more referring to your own comments below rather than the article itself, which I believe were misleading at best.


The Tory party, whether you like it or not, ban members of far right wing .organisations from being members. The article itself actually acknowledges that the said membership will be reviewed and most probably declined. They may need to clean up there act on vetting new members, but they certainly aren't all welcoming of far right activists as you were trying to portray.

They ban high profile members of the far right. One off the top of my head below, there is also much suspected Johnson and Bannon contact, if Golding was one off I would accept the excuse, but it's not, a constant flow of far right connections.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's shock at dinner with group that want to repatriate black Britons

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Conservative MP, has said he feels “very silly” for speaking at a black tie dinner hosted by a man who advocates the repatriation of "non-indigenous" Britons, despite being warned of the group’s far-Right links.

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Barnfred 55]

They ban high profile members of the far right. One off the top of my head below, there is also much suspected Johnson and Bannon contact, if Golding was one off I would accept the excuse, but it's not, a constant flow of far right connections.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's shock at dinner with group that want to repatriate black Britons

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Conservative MP, has said he feels “very silly” for speaking at a black tie dinner hosted by a man who advocates the repatriation of "non-indigenous" Britons, despite being warned of the group’s far-Right links.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Everybody is entitled to their views and I know from previous posts that you have great conviction in yours. But when you try and pass them off as facts then you are dropping to the standards of "the other side" who you are very quick to accuse of lying.

Now it is clear that elements of the far right are trying to attach themselves to the conservative party and I'm sure they have their reasons (most probably not very honourable) for doing so. But that doesn't mean that their attentions are necessarily welcomed, and all the official rules and statements would suggest they are not. Now you may decide not to believe this, which is your entitlement, but just because it's your belief it doesn't make it he truth.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Everybody is entitled to their views and I know from previous posts that you have great conviction in yours. But when you try and pass them off as facts then you are dropping to the standards of "the other side" who you are very quick to accuse of lying.

Now it is clear that elements of the far right are trying to attach themselves to the conservative party and I'm sure they have their reasons (most probably not very honourable) for doing so. But that doesn't mean that their attentions are necessarily welcomed, and all the official rules and statements would suggest they are not. Now you may decide not to believe this, which is your entitlement, but just because it's your belief it doesn't make it he truth.

Undeniable fact that the far right is attracted to Conservative party, they are not wanting to join the Green Party... May began the flirting with the far right with the go home campaign and it's not abated since. How or even if the Conservatives manage to put the nationalistic dogs back on their leashes is something that Governments has been trying work out since forever. I suspect it's going to cost lots and lots in infrastructurie just to convince those who float into far right ideology there are better ways.

 

[tsubaki]

Everybody is entitled to their views and I know from previous posts that you have great conviction in yours. But when you try and pass them off as facts then you are dropping to the standards of "the other side" who you are very quick to accuse of lying.

Now it is clear that elements of the far right are trying to attach themselves to the conservative party and I'm sure they have their reasons (most probably not very honourable) for doing so. But that doesn't mean that their attentions are necessarily welcomed, and all the official rules and statements would suggest they are not. Now you may decide not to believe this, which is your entitlement, but just because it's your belief it doesn't make it he truth.

Yes - I mean it isn't like the Tory Party has a long history of far right affiliations, using race or religion negatively in campaigning or that Britain First openly claimed (which was not denied) that thousands of its supporters had joined the party.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Undeniable fact that the far right is attracted to Conservative party, they are not wanting to join the Green Party... May began the flirting with the far right with the go home campaign and it's not abated since. How or even if the Conservatives manage to put the nationalistic dogs back on their leashes is something that Governments has been trying work out since forever. I suspect it's going to cost lots and lots in infrastructurie just to convince those who float into far right ideology there are better ways.

Yes - I mean it isn't like the Tory Party has a long history of far right affiliations, using race or religion negatively in campaigning or that Britain First openly claimed (which was not denied) that thousands of its supporters had joined the party.

Have you read my posts. I acknowledged that the far right movements are attaching themselves to the Tories. That isn't in question. Why they are doing that is anybody's guess. Maybe they are trying to carry out a coup from within having seen the success that Momentum have had in taking control of the Labour party.

The simple fact though is that the Tory Party rules prevent people affiliated with far right wing groups becoming members. If they had made this affiliation known on application they would have been rejected. Any that they become aware of after the event will have their membership reviewed and cancelled. Even the Independent acknowledged that in their article.

As I said originally, your comments that accompanied the link from the Independent stated the Tories are welcoming these right wing extremists with open arms. Which is a view rather than a fact, which is why I pulled you up.

 

[Billy Dean]

I acknowledged that the far right movements are attaching themselves to the Tories. That isn't in question. Why they are doing that is anybody's guess.

indeed it’s anyone’s guess. And I’m sure it’s nothing to do with the party being headed up by a man who called black people picaninnies, homosexuals bumboys and Muslim women letter boxes.

 

[Barnfred 55]

indeed it’s anyone’s guess. And I’m sure it’s nothing to do with the party being headed up by a man who called black people picaninnies, homosexuals bumboys and Muslim women letter boxes.

I'm not going to even attempt to defend Johnson who is somebody who has no control over what comes out of his mouth every time he opens it. I'll never forgive him for his anti Liverpool comments around Hillsborough and Kenneth Bigley. He's an embarrassment and I cringe when I think of him as British prime Minister. I wager he'll make many more gaffs before his tenure in office is up.

You may be right in that these Britain First people are attaching themselves to the Tories because they believe Johnson to be a far right extremist. I don't know. But I think they may be disappointed when they find out he's not as right as they believed. My view, and I may be wrong in this as it's just an opinion, is that the guy is much more a middle of the road traditionalist. I honestly believe he said those things to garnish a laugh, be one of the lads as it were. It's the sort of boorish tasteless things that cretins like him do. I've met dozens of people like him over the years and I have always had zero time for them.

As I said I'm not defending Johnson. If he had said those things in jest, as I believe, that's equally as bad as if he said them in menace. But I don't expect any extreme right wing policies from this Tory government during this term. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he played up to the Labour leave voters he has won over this election and we'll see them do good things for the north as regards investment in transport and infrastructure. If I'm wrong I'm there to be shot at, and would be the first to hold my hand up and say I called it wrong.