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[Bruce Wayne]

There are no international laws stating that asylum seekers must seek asylum in the 'nearest safe country'.

In fact, most asylum seekers *do* attempt to settle in the nearest safe country, the UK get very few in the grand scheme of things.

The majority of asylum seekers (I wanna say 70%-80%, but I'd have to check the real figures) are granted asylum in the UK once their application is fully processed. So, the majority are genuine.

The issue we're seeing is a closure of safe and legal routes for migrants to get into this country, resulting in the need for these boats. We have also seen a reduction in funding in legal services (alongside other public services, including health care and education), which has in turn caused a backlog of asylum applications and pressures on our public services.

Where do these poor folk go while they have to sit and wait while their application is processed? They get put up in hotels for example.

Political choices and decisions have led us down the path to the point we are in now: the NHS is struggling to cope, shortage of housing etc, but rather than the ire being directed at the folk who have taken us to this point (whilst they line their pockets), we have the likes of Farage and other knobheads telling us it's the foreigners fault, and people fall for it.

This is part of the legacy of the last 14 years of the Conservatives.

You may as well talk to a plank of wood. All this has been explained dozens of times.

 

[Marius57]

Fleeing for their lives from the EU, via, Italy, Greece, Spain, France. Which of these countries are threatening their lives ?….

Think @Titus Bramble has explained it pretty well.

You know, only 7% of immigrants are asylum seekers. They are not the ones that should be facing further restrictions and being targeted (no one should be being targeted).

I understand the feeling around immigration in this country (whether I agree with it or not), and do accept there needs to be some controls around immigration, but the issues in the country are not down to asylum seekers.

 

[Titus Bramble]

You may as well talk to a plank of wood. All this has been explained dozens of times.

Fair enough, I've only really dipped into this forum recently as a result of the last week or so.

I have no ill will to people who believe these fallacies (assuming they're not smashing up a mosque or a Gregg's as a result), it's no surprise when there's so much of this false information being bandied about as if it were fact.

 

[Titus Bramble]

Think @Titus Bramble has explained it pretty well.

You know, only 7% of immigrants are asylum seekers. They are not the ones that should be facing further restrictions and being targeted (no one should be being targeted).

I understand the feeling around immigration in this country (whether I agree with it or not), and do accept there needs to be some controls around immigration, but the issues in the country are not down to asylum seekers.

100% correct.

 

[Rita_Poon]

 

[JimmyJeffers]

You may as well talk to a plank of wood. All this has been explained dozens of times.

I work with a lad who was airlifted with his family out of Kabul. Had no say in where he’d go and speaking to him, he’d rather have his old life back before the taliban.

He had mates who ended up in Middlesbrough, last time I spoke with him they were in a hotel and had been waiting to get properly housed for ages. They didn’t want to be there, they wanted to be self sufficient.

These are the kind of people that are now fearing for their lives through no fault of their own. The stress is unimaginable to me.

The snide questioning of whether people are legal or not, or why are they here, is rotten to the core. Absolutely no empathy.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I work with a lad who was airlifted with his family out of Kabul. Had no say in where he’d go and speaking to him, he’d rather have his old life back before the taliban.

He had mates who ended up in Middlesbrough, last time I spoke with him they were in a hotel and had been waiting to get properly housed for ages. They didn’t want to be there, they wanted to be self sufficient.

These are the kind of people that are now fearing for their lives through no fault of their own. The stress is unimaginable to me.

The snide questioning of whether people are legal or not, or why are they here, is rotten to the core. Absolutely no empathy.

It's that colonial ignorance, like they think people coming here all lived in mud huts so should be grateful for anything. The reality is that half of refugees have degrees and had a decent standard of life in their homeland. In many cases, living in a bedsit in Middlesborough on £14 a week, forbidden to work and use your skills, is incredibly crap. This is what people don't seem to comprehend. It seems impossible for people to think what it would take for them to flee their own homeland and assume something just as bad, if not worse, must have happened to these people.

 

[Marius57]

I work with a lad who was airlifted with his family out of Kabul. Had no say in where he’d go and speaking to him, he’d rather have his old life back before the taliban.

He had mates who ended up in Middlesbrough, last time I spoke with him they were in a hotel and had been waiting to get properly housed for ages. They didn’t want to be there, they wanted to be self sufficient.

These are the kind of people that are now fearing for their lives through no fault of their own. The stress is unimaginable to me.

The snide questioning of whether people are legal or not, or why are they here, is rotten to the core. Absolutely no empathy.

To me, anyone who tries to argue about it and uses the term illegal immigrant, are just ignorant and don’t actually understand what it is they are talking about.

There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. And it was a term thought up by right wing media.

 

[peteblue]

To me, anyone who tries to argue about it and uses the term illegal immigrant, are just ignorant and don’t actually understand what it is they are talking about.

There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. And it was a term thought up by right wing media.

Then you need to take this up with the government. They seem to think illegal immigration is a thing. Just because you and Bruce cannot understand the difference between legal migration and illegal immigration then try looking here…..

Illegal Migration Act 2023

These documents relate to the Illegal Migration Bill which received Royal Assent on 20 July 2023.

www.gov.uk

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Of course Mr I Respect The Law happily supported his shitty party breaking the law when it suited his racist agenda

The 1951 Refugee Convention | UNHCR UK

The 1951 Refugee Convention and its 1967 Protocol are the key documents that form the basis of UNHCR’s work. Learn more about them and view the original text.

www.unhcr.org

 

[Marius57]

Then you need to take this up with the government. They seem to think illegal immigration is a thing. Just because you and Bruce cannot understand the difference between legal migration and illegal immigration then try looking here…..

Illegal Migration Act 2023

These documents relate to the Illegal Migration Bill which received Royal Assent on 20 July 2023.

www.gov.uk

Ah the right wing Tory government legislation. Kind of proven my point.

Also, the legislation is very careful not to use the term Illegal Immigrant. Because it’s the routes that they say are illegal. The individuals claiming asylum are not illegal.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

It's that colonial ignorance, like they think people coming here all lived in mud huts so should be grateful for anything. The reality is that half of refugees have degrees and had a decent standard of life in their homeland. In many cases, living in a bedsit in Middlesborough on £14 a week, forbidden to work and use your skills, is incredibly crap. This is what people don't seem to comprehend. It seems impossible for people to think what it would take for them to flee their own homeland and assume something just as bad, if not worse, must have happened to these people.

Yes, many who got out have resources to pay to get out. They're the skilled, educated middle class.

Know of an Eritrean former Prof. of Economics working as a cleaner in Wolverhampton. They flee, they can't verify qualifications or identity etc. Because they're frequently scared to try and make contact back home as they fear certain regimes.

Must be a serious mental ordeal. Flee home, lose your lot, go through our system, finally get given the chance to work, can't do what you're trained to do. You end up in Wolverhampton. Ffs.

Oh, there's some bell-ends setting fire to the neighbourhood as well now to boot.

 

[peteblue]

Of course Mr I Respect The Law happily supported his shitty party breaking the law when it suited his racist agenda

The 1951 Refugee Convention | UNHCR UK

The 1951 Refugee Convention and its 1967 Protocol are the key documents that form the basis of UNHCR’s work. Learn more about them and view the original text.

www.unhcr.org

I don’t have a racist agenda, never had and never will, no matter how many times you throw this at me just because you refuse to admit illegal migration is just that, illegal. I have no problem with anyone, from anywhere, coming to the U.K. legally, as the vast majority do….

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

Yes, many who got out have resources to pay to get out. They're the skilled, educated middle class.

Know of an Eritrean former Prof. of Economics working as a cleaner in Wolverhampton. They flee, they can't verify qualifications or identity etc. Because they're frequently scared to try and make contact back home as they fear certain regimes.

Must be a serious mental ordeal. Flee home, lose your lot, go through our system, finally get given the chance to work, can't do what you're trained to do. You end up in Wolverhampton. Ffs.

Oh, there's some bell-ends setting fire to the neighbourhood as well now to boot.

your neighbourhood?
Time to go into Duncan Ferguson mode

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Then you need to take this up with the government. They seem to think illegal immigration is a thing. Just because you and Bruce cannot understand the difference between legal migration and illegal immigration then try looking here…..

Illegal Migration Act 2023

These documents relate to the Illegal Migration Bill which received Royal Assent on 20 July 2023.

www.gov.uk

A bigger problem is half the arseholes on the streets can't or don't care about telling the difference between 'legal' and 'illegal' immigration.

They're also the same dolts who seemed to think leaving the EU might get rid of their Bangladeshi neighbours.

Yes, I've been subjected to lectures from many clever sorts on such matters. I spend too much time in pubs which serve as University of Life seminar discussion rooms for my own good.

How I've not pummelled a few folk I don't know, their idiocy offends me. They're so mind numbingly idiotic and they're not even aware of it. Yet they confidently espouse stupid stupid stupid things.

Sorry, went off on a tangent there Pete.