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[Moomin]

Wowsers.

These last few pages make me feel sorry for the youth of today.

I'm in my mid 40's and from an education point of view I had it easy. I went down the route of apprenticeship and further education paid for the companies I worked for. My current company paying for me to be a chartered manager. I've not paid a penny for further education, I'm lucky but further education should be free. It's a disgrace that people have to pay now.

I'm lucky that the first few jobs I had I got a final salary pension, them days are truly gone now. No kids these days will be able to afford a mortgage.

Some Boomers will moan and say they paid 10% mortgage rates in the 70's but the house was worth about 5 years wages while today its more than double that.

 

[Mr. White]

You are the parasite, a retired right wing bigot living on his comfy pension that cost you significantly less than the junior doctor who is more talented than you, worked harder than you and contributed more than you. You've pulled the ladder up behind you and played an active part in destroying the upcoming generations future.

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Not sure where you have got this nonsense from? I'm not retired. I'm mid-40's. I'm not living off a 'comfy pension'. I haven't 'pulled the ladder up'.

 

[TommyDavo]

But the man is right and the lack of apprenticeships in this country is a disgrace. Let’s all go to uni when most of us aren’t really qualified to other than by diluted 18 yr old exams.

Sorry @Rita_Poon but that is how I feel. No kids coming through the construction industry I worked in either in the field, welders, fitters, scaffs etc, or as for instance QS’s. Not everyone should be pointed to Uni and there is good money to be made elsewhere

 

[Rita_Poon]

Sorry @Rita_Poon but that is how I feel. No kids coming through the construction industry I worked in either in the field, welders, fitters, scaffs etc, or as for instance QS’s. Not everyone should be pointed to Uni and there is good money to be made elsewhere

The nhs is chronically lacking in fully trained staff, to the point where certain companies are plundering overseas staff to plug the gaps. Besides the harm this does overseas, it creates a conflict here as certain companies get to exploit said staff and the structure of payment for cover here. The tories have created a need and then capitalised by providing an expensive solution.
gaping arse holes like mr white mouth off about police attacking some dark skinned audiologist, and now some other doctor is a parasite.
I'm all for apprenticeships and guiding kids to their respective areas of strength, but I'll go out on a limb and say welders, fitters, plumbers, scaffs, mechanics, joiners, and all the rest want someone on duty in A&E (especially if they need to visit), skilled surgeons when it's time for the triple heart bypass, and every type of nurse in between. Cardiologists, Radiologists, Anaesthesiologists, Pharmacists... the country is dying.

 

[Walken]

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Not sure where you have got this nonsense from? I'm not retired. I'm mid-40's. I'm not living off a 'comfy pension'. I haven't 'pulled the ladder up'.

Glad the bigot part isn't refuted.

 

[TommyDavo]

The nhs is chronically lacking in fully trained staff, to the point where certain companies are plundering overseas staff to plug the gaps. Besides the harm this does overseas, it creates a conflict here as certain companies get to exploit said staff and the structure of payment for cover here. The tories have created a need and then capitalised by providing an expensive solution.
gaping arse holes like mr white mouth off about police attacking some dark skinned audiologist, and now some other doctor is a parasite.
I'm all for apprenticeships and guiding kids to their respective areas of strength, but I'll go out on a limb and say welders, fitters, plumbers, scaffs, mechanics, joiners, and all the rest want someone on duty in A&E (especially if they need to visit), skilled surgeons when it's time for the triple heart bypass, and every type of nurse in between. Cardiologists, Radiologists, Anaesthesiologists, Pharmacists... the country is dying.

Can you send that cardiologist over to weld this pipe that keeps the acetic anhydride flowing that keeps his world running please. Takes all sorts lad

 

[Rita_Poon]

Can you send that cardiologist over to weld this pipe that keeps the acetic anhydride flowing that keeps his world running please. Takes all sorts lad

The roads are knackered and he's crashed his car, and the ambulance wait means he's better crawling to a&e as he'd be quicker, sad thing is his hands will be mauled by the time he gets in so the pipe is better off replaced. Close the plant, and get to the bottom of why it was bust in the first place cos if it's knackered again a day in it's a sign of a bigger problem... Now we're a cardiologist down and the 7 year nhs backlog just keeps getting longer.
Still, when people are dead the worlds over for them isn't it, pipe or no pipe....

 

[TommyDavo]

The roads are knackered and he's crashed his car, and the ambulance wait means he's better crawling to a&e as he'd be quicker, sad thing is his hands will be mauled by the time he gets in so the pipe is better off replaced. Close the plant, and get to the bottom of why it was bust in the first place cos if it's knackered again a day in it's a sign of a bigger problem... Now we're a cardiologist down and the 7 year nhs backlog just keeps getting longer.
Still, when people are dead the worlds over for them isn't it, pipe or no pipe....

See that’s a lack of knowledge, but no problem. Chemical sites need to shutdown every year because of the reactions that destroy columns etc. More apprenticeships paid for by companies is my view, but don’t think the costs won’t be passed on

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

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Not sure where you have got this nonsense from? I'm not retired. I'm mid-40's. I'm not living off a 'comfy pension'. I haven't 'pulled the ladder up'.

Buy a forum subscription then you parasite.

 

[Rita_Poon]

See that’s a lack of knowledge, but no problem. Chemical sites need to shutdown every year because of the reactions that destroy columns etc. More apprenticeships paid for by companies is my view, but don’t think the costs won’t be passed on

Having previously been coded in both MAG and TIG and refit everything from ducting, to piping, to gantries, to safety cages at plants as ranged from paper, to water to some stuff for Siemens on a rig off Korea somewhere active right now, I have a little understanding of requirement. (Rig stuff was heat and wind shields - Stainless) Done pharmaceutical and food to. Was a nice trade whilst it lasted contracting.

I forgot to add, obviously purging was done where required (food) to eliminate contaminates. For instance.

 

[TommyDavo]

Having previously been coded in both MAG and TIG and refit everything from ducting, to piping, to gantries, to safety cages at plants as ranged from paper, to water to some stuff for Siemens on a rig off Korea somewhere active right now, I have a little understanding of requirement. (Rig stuff was heat and wind shields - Stainless) Done pharmaceutical and food to. Was a nice trade whilst it lasted contracting.

Then you should understand the concept of overlay welding in columns. The chemicals involved in producing what the modern world requires are very aggressive. Forget all that, I just don’t think all kids need to be directed to university. I am one of the what you would call alright jacks even though I live in Waltons back streets. No Uni education, but I am dead clever

 

[Rita_Poon]

Then you should understand the concept of overlay welding in columns. The chemicals involved in producing what the modern world requires are very aggressive. Forget all that, I just don’t think all kids need to be directed to university. I am one of the what you would call alright jacks even though I live in Waltons back streets. No Uni education, but I am dead clever

I know what a purge weld is to seal a pipe, and then capping said seal with enough material to strengthen it.
The world is different now, being qualified is as much about competence on the job to allow being insured to do the task. Responsibility, personal and corporate.
The ambulance chasers got involved, where there's a blame there's a claim. NDT and weld and metal testing used to be easier to get into, now it's degree level stuff because the end product means safety, and reliability. I suspect I'm preaching to the choir?

 

[Walken]

Having previously been coded in both MAG and TIG and refit everything from ducting, to piping, to gantries, to safety cages at plants as ranged from paper, to water to some stuff for Siemens on a rig off Korea somewhere active right now, I have a little understanding of requirement. (Rig stuff was heat and wind shields - Stainless) Done pharmaceutical and food to. Was a nice trade whilst it lasted contracting.

I forgot to add, obviously purging was done where required (food) to eliminate contaminates. For instance.

This makes you approximately 41 times more essential than a cardiologist and as clearly we can't have both in the country we will have to stick with welders.

 

[Rita_Poon]

This makes you approximately 41 times more essential than a cardiologist and as clearly we can't have both in the country we will have to stick with welders.

There's a beautiful irony, the pipes in some plant, and the pipes in some poor bar-studs heart...

 

[TommyDavo]

There's a beautiful irony, the pipes in some plant, and the pipes in some poor bar-studs heart...

Both needed. Get the kids doing what they are suited to.