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[Ming the Merciful]

Golf courses seem like a luxury we don't need in the current economic climate. Huge tracts of land just sitting there for wealthy pensioners to amble around. Pave some of those over for a start (you can keep the sandpits for the kids).

Wouldn't object to that as long as wildlife habitats were protected.

Also public access is needed to the sport so keep municipal courses and lose the private. That's where the difficulties arise I fear.

Despite the arguments linked by @Bruce Wayne to the contrary I feel that more houses equals more loss of green land. I'm not arguing that this needn't be the case if our housing was better managed. I'm saying the short term and instant gain people in power would probably rather pave over a park than look at how to equalise a system.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I think everyone has their own personal red lines though. For example a lot talking about the greater good now I’d bet didn’t vote for the greater good in 2017 and 2019

I know i did Lib dem in 2017 as in marginal with Tory and Labour in 2019 and look where that led us. Not decided on tactical this time as there is boundary change which incorporates a large south Wales labour vote. Unforgivable to allow the Tories another chance to get in and who would apart from a Tory who benefits from Tory Governments its that simple.

 

[Paris]

Like a few on here I’m also in this position. I had planned to marry in December next year, we had wanted to start a family here, and then move back to her country when I had retired in a couple of decades but as I earn less than the new threshold that’s not going to be possible. So, the options now are to move to her country now (where I’d be paid less than I am now) or move to a third country.

Here’s the thing though, forget for a second the cruelty of it all, the government is now going to [Poor language removed] many different sectors of our economy because they’re forcing us out. The treasury loses out on an economically active young couple, the country loses out but other countries will gain by us taking our skills to them. Australia or New Zealand look like an attractive proposition.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Wouldn't object to that as long as wildlife habitats were protected.

Also public access is needed to the sport so keep municipal courses and lose the private. That's where the difficulties arise I fear.

Despite the arguments linked by @Bruce Wayne to the contrary I feel that more houses equals more loss of green land. I'm not arguing that this needn't be the case if our housing was better managed. I'm saying the short term and instant gain people in power would probably rather pave over a park than look at how to equalise a system.

To reiterate the thought experiment though, if the birth rate rose considerably and there were an extra 700,000 Brits being born per year, would we be having the same debate around too many people? Would we be arguing that action needs to be taken to reduce fertility? That our schools are being over run by rug rats? Maternity wards can't cope with the numbers?

Similarly at the other end. If the government wasn't quite so good at "letting old people die", would the same discussions be had that senile old Tory voters are hanging on for too long? Destroying the health system with all of their complex needs? Causing a nationwide shortage of Werther's Originals?

 

[Ming the Merciful]

To reiterate the thought experiment though, if the birth rate rose considerably and there were an extra 700,000 Brits being born per year, would we be having the same debate around too many people? Would we be arguing that action needs to be taken to reduce fertility? That our schools are being over run by rug rats? Maternity wards can't cope with the numbers?

Similarly at the other end. If the government wasn't quite so good at "letting old people die", would the same discussions be had that senile old Tory voters are hanging on for too long? Destroying the health system with all of their complex needs? Causing a nationwide shortage of Werther's Originals?

Not sure what any of that has to do with wanting to protect green land and wildlife habitats.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[sbbefc]

How is it that expensive? I'm paying less than £400 for the year and I only have 2/3 years no claims (after losing them due to previously giving up my car).

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Not sure what any of that has to do with wanting to protect green land and wildlife habitats.

Because we only hear complaints about too many people when those people are immigrants.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

How is it that expensive? I'm paying less than £400 for the year and I only have 2/3 years no claims (after losing them due to previously giving up my car).

Depends on risk profiling. Not sure how old you are, but she looks fairly young and younger drivers get clobbered. Also depends on her individual driving history (even an accident or points 5 years ago get you). Having said all that, insurance costs are flying up, mine is likely to rise by £300 for no driving or circumstances based reason this year.

 

[roydo]

Couples 'devastated' by migration visa rule changes

New rules will make it harder for British citizens to live in the UK with a foreign partner.

www.bbc.co.uk

Bad legislation has bad outcomes.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

Because we only hear complaints about too many people when those people are immigrants.

I never said there were too many people?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Couples 'devastated' by migration visa rule changes

New rules will make it harder for British citizens to live in the UK with a foreign partner.

www.bbc.co.uk

Bad legislation has bad outcomes.

Notice it is mentioned to disproportionately affect younger people which is exactly what should be happening just now. Just racist wolf whistling

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I do wonder if this mindless Govt quite realise they've possibly holed a good portion of STEM research grants with this new salary bar.

A good many post-doc researcher posts pay under £38k. In a lot of subjects only overseas researchers will sniff at that salary for their skills and education - UK post docs go into industry or to the states where the salaries are better. A lot of overseas researchers naturally want to bring their family. Hard to recruit before, bit now?

I seem to recall something about ambitions for Britain being a science superpower etc. Must not be arsed now.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Notice it is mentioned to disproportionately affect younger people which is exactly what should be happening just now. Just racist wolf whistling

Younger people, those that we need to be here working and making babies.

They are a bunch of shobgites. Hopefully this stupid idea will get booted as an idea sooner rather than later and you and your family can come and go from your UK home as you see fit - and all others in your situation.

 

[roydo]

Younger people, those that we need to be here working and making babies.

They are a bunch of shobgites. Hopefully this stupid idea will get booted as an idea sooner rather than later and you and your family can come and go from your UK home as you see fit - and all others in your situation.

Who wants young scientists, lawyers etc who fell in love with a foren anyrate? It is a moronic policy.