No but you can have a centre ground socialist without a party to vote for
Like @Bruce Wayne a Lib Dem no one to vote for............
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Like @Bruce Wayne a Lib Dem no one to vote for............
No but you can have a centre ground socialist without a party to vote for
Like @Bruce Wayne a Lib Dem no one to vote for............
Contact Rees -mogg, trump , farage and le pen and see if they’ll band together in a centre left party that caters for you .
You can have conservative people that are aware of the class struggle, ergo Christopher Hitchens.
Very droll .......... the other 17,4 million outers may vote too hey ho.......
summerisle
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There's no such thing as a centre-ground socialist.No but you can have a centre ground socialist without a party to vote for
Like @Bruce Wayne a Lib Dem no one to vote for............
No mate because most of them or at least ones I know and on here don’t praise le pen or trump .
Nor do I....
Ask Blair......
summerisle
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Blair's many things, but a socialist he 'aint.
i think myself and Pete both want a trade deal with as far as possible a complete break from the EU other than that, i cant speak for Pete.
Personally part of my reason for wanting to get out is i feel it would be easier to turn society around from the globalisation model we seem to be locked into right now as a sole country rather than as part of an EU block , which seems to want to expand to gain access to cheap labour and gain further influence eastwards ,which i think is dangerous.
I also think the EU is a timebomb economically and socially and don't hold a view that the UK have a moral obligation to be part of that, although other people could say historically we haven't turned are back on anything like before, i think its about time we did
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I don't know petes views on immigration but if people with skills or the means to live , in each others countries still want to do that i haven't the slightest problem with it .
A lot of the problems were this government not taking the steps they already had at there disposal under EU rules, thats one thing i don't blame the EU for.
On the second vote pete doesnt want one ,and i can understand why. it supposed to be the vote of a lifetime, not a best of two or three
Both main parties had it in there manifesto to carry out the wishes of the leave vote,
the trust of both parties shot for going against there manifesto which is what all the current MP's got voted in under, after all.
this would leave a very bitter taste, also the EU have form for this not getting the vote they want so carry on voting till we get a result they want.
I look at the second vote, a different way ,why be scared of your own peoples views, even if it went the other way, plenty of times in my life i wished i could change a decision i had made so its understandable others can feel the same way.
I am not so arrogant as to be think i am always right, maybe i am wrong let the majority decide
Do i think it would solve anything maybe short term. long term maybe not as whatever the result the other side will not have gone away.
Mays deal to me is not leaving in anything but name , and is worse than staying in, so no support from me.
I suppose , we could argue all day and night about facts and figure to support each others case.( i have been as guilty as most on that one) but at the end of the day it comes down to your own personal gut feeling on the subject, nothing is really going to change that no matter what's said.
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I personally think it’s a poor deal , it’s preferable to a no deal as I think that could be a disaster but otherwise it has little going for it .
My point is though that it means different things to different people and for no deal to hijack what the vote meant seems incredibly unreasonable, there weren’t options on the ballot and whether you agree ,and clearly you don’t , this is leaving . So it’s again down to the a rushed issue to protect a party that we’re here , so little thought went into this from all sides and we’re all now living through it and ultimately with its consequences.
An interesting post. One thing I'd like to comment on is the notion that the expansion eastwards is purely to tap into low-cost labour. The evidence from the A8 countries is that they are on average more likely to have degrees than the native population, and more likely to have degrees than non-EU migrants, who the government are supposed to be able to 'control'. There are builders, plumbers, care workers and fruit pickers among their number, without a doubt, but there are also economists and scientists, doctors and software developers.
The thing with much of the debate around migration is that we hardly ever actually hear from any migrants. They have no official representation in elections, and a very rarely given a platform to speak in the media, but all the evidence suggests when they are given a platform and a voice, then they can actually be pretty persuasive as they help to break down many of the mental barriers that exist.
Well he was the last Labour MP before Gordon Brown who carried his policies on ........ when I checked...........
summerisle
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I think you missed " " out of Labour.
Just ignore the facts like most remainers ........ the out vote came from voters of many parties.......
ask current Labour MPS...... outside the westminster bubble.........
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