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My wife is a nurse and there's no way on earth we could afford to have four children. If we went ahead and had four children anyway and ended up in difficulty financially, is that the fault of us or the government?

If your wife's pay would have grown following, as a minimum, the rate of inflation; you would have a lot more cash than you have now.

Furthermore, her job would undoubtedly be easier than it is as she and her colleagues would be backed with better resources and staff without the stress and strain which is on the NHS. The situation that the family have found themselves in, is indicative of Tory neglect, whether or not they have 2 kids or 4 kids.

A family with both parents working should not be kicked onto the streets or bouncing between emergency accommodations, as a result of them having 4 children.
 
My wife is a nurse and there's no way on earth we could afford to have four children. If we went ahead and had four children anyway and ended up in difficulty financially, is that the fault of us or the government?

Why would you lay blame on anyones door? Surely it would be congratulations on the birth of a child. I’m sure all your stocks and shares would adequately be able to support a large family.
 
Why would you lay blame on anyones door? Surely it would be congratulations on the birth of a child. I’m sure all your stocks and shares would adequately be able to support a large family.
But this page has been happy to lay the blame for that lady's difficulties at the government's door. Regarding your last comment, those stocks and shares are my pension. I'm self employed so don't have an employer-backed scheme I can join and no one is going to make contributions on my behalf. Sorry for being responsible like.
 
If your wife's pay would have grown following, as a minimum, the rate of inflation; you would have a lot more cash than you have now.

Furthermore, her job would undoubtedly be easier than it is as she and her colleagues would be backed with better resources and staff without the stress and strain which is on the NHS. The situation that the family have found themselves in, is indicative of Tory neglect, whether or not they have 2 kids or 4 kids.

A family with both parents working should not be kicked onto the streets or bouncing between emergency accommodations, as a result of them having 4 children.
needs to go a bit further...

Had nursing been a priority, the health of the nation, the long term viability of the masses to work and as productively as possible for as long as possible then the bursary wouldn't have been scrapped, the government wouldn't have had to beg the retiring, the recently retired and some specialists years into retirement to prop up the nhs during the pandemic. Had nurses been listened to as standards crumbled their welfare would have been looked after, as it stands they have voted to strike, others have simply left, its meant gaps in the workforce allowing for agency staff premiums, when you dont know the building or the rest of the staff - how well can you cover? the government have set this up on purpose to become engaged in a battle against 'the unions', 'we've got the money we'll show em'.
'go private for just £25 a month...' until the nhs is killed off fully and there's no other option in town...
 
But this page has been happy to lay the blame for that lady's difficulties at the government's door. Regarding your last comment, those stocks and shares are my pension. I'm self employed so don't have an employer-backed scheme I can join and no one is going to make contributions on my behalf. Sorry for being responsible like.

So do not think there should be more help for people with families and housing difficulties? Especially given how hard it is to own a home these days. Like maybe more social housing so there’s less private landlords. Or rent controls of some kind. These could be a good government policies I’d have thought.
 
If your wife's pay would have grown following, as a minimum, the rate of inflation; you would have a lot more cash than you have now.

Furthermore, her job would undoubtedly be easier than it is as she and her colleagues would be backed with better resources and staff without the stress and strain which is on the NHS. The situation that the family have found themselves in, is indicative of Tory neglect, whether or not they have 2 kids or 4 kids.

A family with both parents working should not be kicked onto the streets or bouncing between emergency accommodations, as a result of them having 4 children.
Depends what your willingness for risk is I suppose. The old adage is that you shouldn't quit your job unless you have up to six months of living expenses saved up. For me, it's the same when you're considering something that is undoubtedly going to be pretty expensive. If you're hand to mouth every month then that leaves you one unforeseen event from the crapper for you and your family. Is it a good idea to do that expensive thing?

I don't share your optimism that a 11% pay rise would fix the NHS' problems one bit, but sure I'm sure the wife wouldn't turn it down. Would we want to rely on whomever the government of the day is to bail us out? Heck no. They're tossers.

Regarding your last point, I'm not sure tbh. The average cost of raising a child is said to be £160,000, so if you have four of them you're looking at an annual cost of £35,000 a year over 18 years. The average household income in the UK is £37,000 a year. Even if between you you're on £70,000 a year, after tax you would have about £1,000 left each month to pay your own expenses.
 
So do not think there should be more help for people with families and housing difficulties? Especially given how hard it is to own a home these days. Like maybe more social housing so there’s less private landlords. Or rent controls of some kind. These could be a good government policies I’d have thought.
I mean it was social housing where that youngster died of mold, right? I do get it though, and read a study last week looking at the number of people who I suppose could be characterised as like that lady and her family who were pretty close to the line each week and end up homeless due to an unforeseen bill. The authors of that paper were advocating a UBI to give people a buffer. Would it help? Who knows.
 
I mean it was social housing where that youngster died of mold, right? I do get it though, and read a study last week looking at the number of people who I suppose could be characterised as like that lady and her family who were pretty close to the line each week and end up homeless due to an unforeseen bill. The authors of that paper were advocating a UBI to give people a buffer. Would it help? Who knows.

But this only highlights further issues with this current government and its legislation. Both for social housing and private. They couldn’t give a toss about anyone. Kids sleeping in mold infested cess pits. I’ve lived in rented accommodation where a roof fell in and the landlord patched it up with a bit tarpaulin and plaster board. The walls used seep and the wallpaper melt away. I had to move but I was single and free.
 
My wife is a nurse and there's no way on earth we could afford to have four children. If we went ahead and had four children anyway and ended up in difficulty financially, is that the fault of us or the government?
They were not struggling until government corruption made their lives miserable, once they are on the street you can read the fountainhead to them to cheer them and tell them what awful human beings they are
 
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