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The cost of rejoining?
Labour are not even considering it in their manifesto.....it's ATM very awkward..

My point is more abstract mate, just to say theres nothing wrong with having the debate, after 5 Prime Ministers since the first decision was made.

Of course, having the debate doesnt mean rejoining, and people are welcome to put both sides of the argument.
 
My point is more abstract mate, just to say theres nothing wrong with having the debate, after 5 Prime Ministers since the first decision was made.

Of course, having the debate doesnt mean rejoining, and people are welcome to put both sides of the argument.
It'll be spun as antidemocratic, "what next, not liking a government after 6 months so fancy another choice...?" etc. Although the oven readiness of the current fiasco and the associated lies could do with being scrutinized.
 
There are posters here who see the possibility of their personal gain as more important than that families suffering, you all know who they are

I used to work as a teacher, and this situation is not uncommon. Kids starting new schools, leaving their old friends behind, eventually beginning to make new friends, to have to be moved again. It does enormous damage to their wellbeing and life chances, and is heartbreaking to observe. All so a landlord can make a couple of hundred quid extra a month.

In Germany, they have a lot of additional protections. A couple that spring to mind is increases in rental payments are capped at inflation. You could even do that +3% if you wanted to give some wriggle room. Another is that you cannot evict a family with kids in. The fact we dont have anything approaching this shows how skewed our market is. I'm not saying the above is perfect either, but it does give some protection.

It also underlines this myth, that the tories reward work. Theyve set the system up to punish those in work. Via tax, inflation, housing, poor services etc it penalise those who want to go to work. It rewards people who dont work, and who own assets and contribute nothing. That's the society Tories build, one where work doesnt pay.
 
There are posters here who see the possibility of their personal gain as more important than that families suffering, you all know who they are

The same people would have been clapping for our nurses during the pandemic, and will now be scoffing at the thought of them getting a big enough pay rise to allow them to afford food and accommodation.
 
I used to work as a teacher, and this situation is not uncommon. Kids starting new schools, leaving their old friends behind, eventually beginning to make new friends, to have to be moved again. It does enormous damage to their wellbeing and life chances, and is heartbreaking to observe. All so a landlord can make a couple of hundred quid extra a month.

In Germany, they have a lot of additional protections. A couple that spring to mind is increases in rental payments are capped at inflation. You could even do that +3% if you wanted to give some wriggle room. Another is that you cannot evict a family with kids in. The fact we dont have anything approaching this shows how skewed our market is. I'm not saying the above is perfect either, but it does give some protection.

It also underlines this myth, that the tories reward work. Theyve set the system up to punish those in work. Via tax, inflation, housing, poor services etc it penalise those who want to go to work. It rewards people who dont work, and who own assets and contribute nothing. That's the society Tories build, one where work doesnt pay.
I thought the government was looking to revoke S21 which would give tenants additional protection as a landlord would need to prove proper grounds to evict.

Whole rental market is a mess. Area I’m living in people pay twice as much rent as they would do a mortgage agreement but can’t get a mortgage without a hefty deposit, (even though it’s fairly evident they could afford mortgage payments) They can’t get the deposit together as they are paying so much rent.

Only people I know who have brought their first property have done so with help from their parents.
 
I thought the government was looking to revoke S21 which would give tenants additional protection as a landlord would need to prove proper grounds to evict.

Whole rental market is a mess. Area I’m living in people pay twice as much rent as they would do a mortgage agreement but can’t get a mortgage without a hefty deposit, (even though it’s fairly evident they could afford mortgage payments) They can’t get the deposit together as they are paying so much rent.

Only people I know who have brought their first property have done so with help from their parents.
It's an industry now. Investors buying up houses in an area to let out en masse in some instances. Sure it drives 'growth' and GDP with house sales churn, but it's having loads of other negative effects.

Arguably costs us more in welfare as the rents are much higher than social housing. Not to mention health care costs etc downstream due to the aforementioned issues with life chances.
 
I used to work as a teacher, and this situation is not uncommon. Kids starting new schools, leaving their old friends behind, eventually beginning to make new friends, to have to be moved again. It does enormous damage to their wellbeing and life chances, and is heartbreaking to observe. All so a landlord can make a couple of hundred quid extra a month.

In Germany, they have a lot of additional protections. A couple that spring to mind is increases in rental payments are capped at inflation. You could even do that +3% if you wanted to give some wriggle room. Another is that you cannot evict a family with kids in. The fact we dont have anything approaching this shows how skewed our market is. I'm not saying the above is perfect either, but it does give some protection.

It also underlines this myth, that the tories reward work. Theyve set the system up to punish those in work. Via tax, inflation, housing, poor services etc it penalise those who want to go to work. It rewards people who dont work, and who own assets and contribute nothing. That's the society Tories build, one where work doesnt pay.
Excellent post
 
The same people would have been clapping for our nurses during the pandemic, and will now be scoffing at the thought of them getting a big enough pay rise to allow them to afford food and accommodation.
My wife is a nurse and there's no way on earth we could afford to have four children. If we went ahead and had four children anyway and ended up in difficulty financially, is that the fault of us or the government?
 
The same people would have been clapping for our nurses during the pandemic, and will now be scoffing at the thought of them getting a big enough pay rise to allow them to afford food and accommodation.

The same for anyone striking for better pay and conditions. It’s as if they think people are striking for a laugh. Too many working people have been conned and are gullible so stand against it. People on here to sadly.
 
It's an industry now. Investors buying up houses in an area to let out en masse in some instances. Sure it drives 'growth' and GDP with house sales churn, but it's having loads of other negative effects.

Arguably costs us more in welfare as the rents are much higher than social housing. Not to mention health care costs etc downstream due to the aforementioned issues with life chances.
Would like to see more rent controls brought in like those in vienna


Of course, would be a nightmare to implement and cause no small amount of headaches to landlords. Also as seen in Lisbon, landlords can be reluctant to renovate or upgrade properties if they feel they’re not going to get a decent return on their investment.

Something has to give though.
 
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