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[Joey66]

He's not hard to find, his house will have its own smogg generated ecosystem around it

A roaring smokeless coal fire last night - while you're jetting around the world ? Burning Kerosene fumes lol

 

[JammyP]

Those kind of graphs always strike me as disingenous as they don't take into account external matters and they also fail to account for inflation and GDP growth. I mean Labour didn't run on a platform to not bail out the banks after the financial crash, and I doubt they would have scrapped the furlough scheme that did so much to raise debt during the pandemic. Before getting too cocksure, it's also worth remembering that the Tory leader at the time was a far more enthusiastic supporter of remaining in the EU than the Labour leader at the time. That's been the biggest non-global event that has damaged the UK.

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And yet the Tories and the message of their press backers remains that Labour sank the economy when (with their backing) Brown bailed out their banker mates and led the rescue of western capitalism.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Shame he did less campaigning for remain then

Cameron was the main face for remain. He may have done a terrible job, but Labour had more support from the likes of Blair and Brown than from Corbyn, who has been a Eurosceptic his entire political career.

 

[Joey66]

And yet the Tories and the message of their press backers remains that Labour sank the economy when (with their backing) Brown bailed out their banker mates and led the rescue of western capitalism.

Gordon Brown was an OK guy - only PM not to take a life pension - Trusses pension should be stopped - a pension for on disastrous months work it needs looking into ...... There should have been a GE

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And yet the Tories and the message of their press backers remains that Labour sank the economy when (with their backing) Brown bailed out their banker mates and led the rescue of western capitalism.

Oh of course, but just because some of the dailies use terrible logic doesn't mean that should become the norm.

 

[Joey66]

Cameron was the main face for remain. He may have done a terrible job, but Labour had more support from the likes of Blair and Brown than from Corbyn, who has been a Eurosceptic his entire political career.

The Labour Party backed a 2nd referendum, Bruce ......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's the same thing I paid 6 % Plus NI - equals I qualified for pensions - sour grapes from you as you are behind the trend .....

Cmon Joe, it's unlike you to fully grasp the big picture. As the survey below illustrates, many young people today don't think there will be a state pension for them when they retire, regardless of how much NI they pay, and that's because of the shifting demographic makeup of the country.

Majority of young adults in the UK don't believe they'll be able to rely on a state pension

Around a third (30 per cent) believe the state pension won’t exist by the time they retire, while half (50 per cent) expect it to be less generous

inews.co.uk

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The Labour Party backed a 2nd referendum, Bruce ......

I think you'll find that was the LibDems Joe.

 

[JammyP]

I think you'll find that was the LibDems Joe.

Labour manifesto was:

Labour will give the people the final say on Brexit. Within three months of coming to power, a Labour government will secure a sensible deal. And within six months, we will put that deal to a public vote alongside the option to remain. A Labour government will implement whatever the people decide​

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Labour manifesto was:

Labour will give the people the final say on Brexit. Within three months of coming to power, a Labour government will secure a sensible deal. And within six months, we will put that deal to a public vote alongside the option to remain. A Labour government will implement whatever the people decide​

I stand corrected.

 

[spectateur]

It's the same thing I paid 6 % Plus NI - equals I qualified for pensions - sour grapes from you as you are behind the trend .....

Same here Joe. When I was young 60 years ago, I resented the relatively large sum deducted from my meagre salary for a pension in the far distant future.
It's spitting hairs whether the payment was funding the then pensioners, or whether it was for my own future. A significant amount was paid out at a time I could ill afford it.

 

[catcherintherye]

Those kind of graphs always strike me as disingenous as they don't take into account external matters and they also fail to account for inflation and GDP growth. I mean Labour didn't run on a platform to not bail out the banks after the financial crash, and I doubt they would have scrapped the furlough scheme that did so much to raise debt during the pandemic. Before getting too cocksure, it's also worth remembering that the Tory leader at the time was a far more enthusiastic supporter of remaining in the EU than the Labour leader at the time. That's been the biggest non-global event that has damaged the UK.

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The point is though, even with inflationary effects factored in, and the core goal to cut the deficit, they have failed in that regard. Inflation and GDP growth should have helped in this regard.

People have had to endure a whole manner of misery and problems, for this goal of cutting the deficit, which even in a relative sense just hasnt been achieved.

I also accept there have been problems. There are always problems. A good government is able to navigate those issues effectively and delivery on its goals.

 

[catcherintherye]

I think you'll find that was the LibDems Joe.

They both backed it.

 

[mahermi1]

I stand corrected.

Data shmata eh Bruce. lol

 

[Joey66]

I think you'll find that was the LibDems Joe.

The deadlock for not accepting a democratic vote was backed by Labour Bruce -