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[Bruce Wayne]

The point is though, even with inflationary effects factored in, and the core goal to cut the deficit, they have failed in that regard. Inflation and GDP growth should have helped in this regard.

People have had to endure a whole manner of misery and problems, for this goal of cutting the deficit, which even in a relative sense just hasnt been achieved.

I also accept there have been problems. There are always problems. A good government is able to navigate those issues effectively and delivery on its goals.

The point I was making is that the events that have seen the biggest spikes (2008, Covid, Ukraine) have been seen for all major countries. Indeed, since Johnson took office in 2019 there hasn't really been anything done at all on a policy level. It's been wall-to-wall fire fighting.

Where the UK has really stood out is on Brexit, which is a singular dose of self harm.

 

[Joey66]

Cmon Joe, it's unlike you to fully grasp the big picture. As the survey below illustrates, many young people today don't think there will be a state pension for them when they retire, regardless of how much NI they pay, and that's because of the shifting demographic makeup of the country.

Majority of young adults in the UK don't believe they'll be able to rely on a state pension

Around a third (30 per cent) believe the state pension won’t exist by the time they retire, while half (50 per cent) expect it to be less generous

inews.co.uk

Just an assumption you googled Bruce, they were saying that when I was in my 20s.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The deadlock for not accepting a democratic vote was backed by Labour Bruce -

You get an election every five years Joe. The referendum was six years ago. I reckon we're due a rethink.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Just an assumption you googled Bruce, they were saying that when I was in my 20s.......

Ok Joe. Next time I'm in the British Museum I'll look up your source.

 

[Joey66]

Data shmata eh Bruce. lol

Bruce lives in his Google World ......

 

[mahermi1]

The point I was making is that the events that have seen the biggest spikes (2008, Covid, Ukraine) have been seen for all major countries. Indeed, since Johnson took office in 2019 there hasn't really been anything done at all on a policy level. It's been wall-to-wall fire fighting.

Where the UK has really stood out is on Brexit, which is a singular dose of self harm.

Sure it was said that Kwartang and Truss disintegrated £30billion of the public money during her disastrous month long reign and has the bloody cheek to claim a pension, much, much earlier than she should and at a helluva lot more money than me an Joey combined, but there does not seem to be that much concern about that on here...

 

[Joey66]

You get an election every five years Joe. The referendum was six years ago. I reckon we're due a rethink.

In that time it was delayed 2 years by remainers - then we had Covid & Europe in recession ..... the only thing I would change is the cap on getting a job over in the UK should be at the minimum wage for anyone outside the UK not the ridiculous salary cap they have in place now .....

 

[Joey66]

Sure it was said that Kwartang and Truss disintegrated £30billion of the public money during her disastrous month long reign and has the bloody cheek to claim a pension, much, much earlier than she should and at a helluva lot more money than me an Joey combined, but there foes not seem to be much concern about that on here...

She is entitled to it for life ....... Absolutely scandalous, it should be withdrawn & back paid.....

 

[Joey66]

Ok Joe. Next time I'm in the British Museum I'll look up your source.

Calling me a liar now is this a LIB DEM trait ?

 

[catcherintherye]

The point I was making is that the events that have seen the biggest spikes (2008, Covid, Ukraine) have been seen for all major countries. Indeed, since Johnson took office in 2019 there hasn't really been anything done at all on a policy level. It's been wall-to-wall fire fighting.

Where the UK has really stood out is on Brexit, which is a singular dose of self harm.

Of course. But you should be reducing in good times, and expanding in bad times.

Labour were in charge during the dotcom bubble and the Great recession (which was a genuine liquidity crisis).

2010 through 2022 had been an enormous bull market. 2010-2016 specifically so. They have not paid down any deficit. Theyve pursued ideological arguments that dont work.

Frankly a war in 2 unrelated countries is not an excuse. The pandemic is tricky, but less tricky than a lot of other problem, made worse by bad governance.

Like if their argument is you cant cut the deficit if once every 10 years there is a problem, you will never cut the deficit. It also highlights, what was the point of austerity, if not cruelty and self sabotage?

 

[catcherintherye]

In that time it was delayed 2 years by remainers - then we had Covid & Europe in recession ..... the only thing I would change is the cap on getting a job over in the UK should be at the minimum wage for anyone outside the UK not the ridiculous salary cap they have in place now .....

It was delayed by them messing about negotiating.

We are 6 years, 2 elections and 5 PMs later. There were only 6 PMs between the 70s vote and the last vote. Theres been more than enough time to judge its success.

 

[catcherintherye]

The deadlock for not accepting a democratic vote was backed by Labour Bruce -

Did people who were pro brexit, not respecting the democratic vote of the 70s? Or does it only work 1 way?

 

[Joey66]

Did people who were pro brexit, not respecting the democratic vote of the 70s? Or does it only work 1 way?

The vote went through in the 1970s without any arguments .....as I voted in both for trade - plus it was a vote just for trade not a European Parliament......

 

[JammyP]

The point is though, even with inflationary effects factored in, and the core goal to cut the deficit, they have failed in that regard. Inflation and GDP growth should have helped in this regard.

People have had to endure a whole manner of misery and problems, for this goal of cutting the deficit, which even in a relative sense just hasnt been achieved.

I also accept there have been problems. There are always problems. A good government is able to navigate those issues effectively and delivery on its goals.

And a lot of "Austerity" was driven by dogma in favour of a small state, and backed by a mistaken belief that we should be a post-industrial economy like Singapore and Switzerland - which in fact have thrived on more, not less, industrial production.

Incompetence, across the board, for 12 years.

Then add Brexit (which 2/3 Labour voters opposed) which from Cameron to Sunak has been a five star f*** up

 

[mahermi1]

It was delayed by them messing about negotiating.

We are 6 years, 2 elections and 5 PMs later. There were only 6 PMs between the 70s vote and the last vote. Theres been more than enough time to judge its success.

Or lack of it..