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[Alan Whittle]

I’ll even try to help you…we are trying to fix a £50bn hole. The Pandemic alone cost us over £400Bn……

Ah, the Pandemic; Test & Trace, Crony suppliers supplying unusable goods for key workers, corrupt untraceable business handouts that cannot be recovered. No, fair point, the Pandemic was a disaster. It’s great that you’ve seen the light, better late than never.
No one is saying that the war in Ukraine isn’t having a fundamental impact on our economy. There is a hangover from the mismanagement of the Pandemic. But; the difficulty of exporting? labour shortages? Not caused by either of the above, just Brexit.

 

[catcherintherye]

I read the posts Pete. It’s the Germans, Last week it was the Albanians, the week before that it was Civil Servants. Before that the back stabbers and for a very long time it was Starmer. It was never the fault of the Government of the past 12 years and never Brexit. This despite Businesses all over the UK, big and small citing the significantly increased cost and difficulty caused by Brexit particularly for exporters and those requiring casual labour.
Perhaps some kind of Trade deal with our key trading partners might help?
The Government have only had six years to come up with one.
It’s not ALL Brexit’s fault, no one in here is saying it is, but you continue to suggest that it has no negative effect despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. You wonder why no one takes you seriously.

Theres a phrase "always the victims its never your fault" comes to mind with the tories. It's always something else.

 

[catcherintherye]

I’ll even try to help you…we are trying to fix a £50bn hole. The Pandemic alone cost us over £400Bn……

Because of terrible management Pete. They have wasted so much money, locked down too late and wasted copious amounts in the process.

And now hard working Joe's like me have to bail them out again. At some point people just have enough.

Problems happen. It's a governments job to mitigate them. If you cant deal with a problem, move along and let somebody more competent have a go.

 

[catcherintherye]

Let’s try another way. If you list Brexit, Pandemic, War in Ukraine and Energy costs, what do each of those elements contribute to our current economic situation ?……

Well Brexit is self inflicted, and was meant to be this great boost, so not sure why that's being included.

Pandemic was a problem, but exacerbated by bad governance and poor decision making/cronyism.

They have willingly egged the war in Ukraine on, so any fault from that is self inflicted.

Energy crisis could have been solved had they have legislated that energy firms could only raise prices at say 2 x CPI and had a windfall tax early enough. As usual, they were asleep at the wheel.

The common theme throughout is bad governance, and a management who are unable to mitigate challenges. We are the only g7 country in negative growth.

It's like when Benitez was losing games every week but blaming injuries. Everyone gets injuries. It's your job as a manager to overcome them.

 

[catcherintherye]

Oh, so it’s all Germany’s fault! lollol

It's basically anybody's fault apart from the people who are in charge.

I saw that Braveman blaming Labour voters for the protestors on the M25 the other day. I ended up doing a 15 hour day held up because of them. That really brightened my mood to be told by some sponger in Westminster who probably gets helecoptered about, that I'm to blame for being held up all day.

They just insult ordinary working people. I'm not a violent person, but honestly could have chinned her when that came on the radio as I was stuck in traffic. I bet shes never had a moment like that, with the privileged life she leads.

 

[catcherintherye]

Brexit has nothing to do with it. Again, why is Germany suffering from the Pandemic and the war in Ukraine and the Energy crisis, yet everyone in here says Brexit. Please just tell me why these things only effect Germany but don’t affect the U.K. and everything is blamed on Brexit.….most Brexit supporters on here, certainly myself, said that it would have an effect upon our GDP and economy. no one pretended otherwise, so why is Germany, the heart of the EU, suffering and why cannot our EU supporting friends accept that the same issues are affecting the U.K……

Hold on Pete, we were told that Brexit would have led to enormous prosperity. Not a drop in GDP. That was never said.

Secondly, Germany will be affected by Brexit, but just not as much as us. David Davis (who I actually quite like) stated it would damage Germany. But it damaged the UK more.

And Germany are damaged by the war, because they have like 10 x more Russian gas than we do. We have 5% they have 50%, so it's going to impact them more. Yet their economy is currently growing, and ours is shrinking.

Think of it this way. You have 2 sales locations for your business. Both are faced with a challenge. One is 10 x more liable to the damage it causes. However it is still profitable. The other office is unprofitable. You have to ask, is the management of that area of the business performing to standard.

 

[catcherintherye]

You can't reason with stupidity. The fact that Germany is significantly more heavily aligned with Russia for its energy and that its economy is manufacturing based and therefore more reliant on the aforementioned energy than the British economy, which still has a bit of north sea oil/gas left and is service-based and therefore less energy intensive. No, it takes more brains than you get from reading the Telegraph to figure out such things.

The Telegraph will just rot your brain.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Pete, I've already said Brexit has been great and defo has nothing to do with the fact that the UK has experienced much more significant GDP decline than Germany Sweden and Latvia while the likes of Denmark, Czechia, Hungary, Belgium, Finland, Italy, Austria, France, Slovakia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Portugal, Estonia, Poland, Slovenia, Spain,Croatia, Greece, Cyprus, Luxembourg, Bulgaria, Romania, Malta and my own Ireland all experienced GDP growth in the same period (statistical anomalies you have rightfully ignored). Brexit has really helped the UK stand on its own two feet in this difficult period and I honestly can't think of any reason it is rock bottom of the European GDP growth graph

"boards don't hit back"....

 

[Rita_Poon]

Hold on Pete, we were told that Brexit would have led to enormous prosperity. Not a drop in GDP. That was never said.

Secondly, Germany will be affected by Brexit, but just not as much as us. David Davis (who I actually quite like) stated it would damage Germany. But it damaged the UK more.

And Germany are damaged by the war, because they have like 10 x more Russian gas than we do. We have 5% they have 50%, so it's going to impact them more. Yet their economy is currently growing, and ours is shrinking.

Think of it this way. You have 2 sales locations for your business. Both are faced with a challenge. One is 10 x more liable to the damage it causes. However it is still profitable. The other office is unprofitable. You have to ask, is the management of that area of the business performing to standard.

it doesnt answer, yet demands answers. its clear how to respond...

 

[summerisle]

I’ll even try to help you…we are trying to fix a £50bn hole. The Pandemic alone cost us over £400Bn……

I'll try to help you....the shitshow that was the 44 days of the Truss 'government' cost the country 30 billion pounds, let that sink in...30 billion pounds. Makes the Weimar government look competent.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I'll try to help you....the shitshow that was the 44 days of the Truss 'government' cost the country 30 billion pounds, let that sink in...30 billion pounds. Makes the Weimar government look competent.

Not sure where the laughs begin here...

 

[summerisle]

Meanwhile, nothing to see here, move along now.

 

[Nightman]

Because of terrible management Pete. They have wasted so much money, locked down too late and wasted copious amounts in the process.

And now hard working Joe's like me have to bail them out again. At some point people just have enough.

Problems happen. It's a governments job to mitigate them. If you cant deal with a problem, move along and let somebody more competent have a go.

It's as simple as that, really. Or should be. The government's only job really is to protect its citizens. This government can't do it, so it's time to let someone else have a go.

This tribalism (both left and right), stops this and damages everyone. And right now it's tough to accept anyone defending the Tory party, let alone flag waving them. Perhaps in another 12 years time, the shoe will be on the other foot - but not today. And not for the past few years either.

 

[Rita_Poon]

It's as simple as that, really. Or should be. The government's only job really is to protect its citizens. This government can't do it, so it's time to let someone else have a go.

This tribalism (both left and right), stops this and damages everyone. And right now it's tough to accept anyone defending the Tory party, let alone flag waving them. Perhaps in another 12 years time, the shoe will be on the other foot - but not today. And not for the past few years either.

I mentioned the poisoned two year old for this exact reason, gove spouting off about who he thinks is responsible and how much that person earns...

 

[ChesterBlue]

Every time I see people defending Hancock on public Facebook posts I feel physically revolted. Absolute serf behaviour.