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[DuuuncanHadaPigeon]

Just the way I feel, doesn't mean that you and I are right, but I feel this version of the Tory party is truly selfish and evil and needs to be removed asap. Much more chance of that with Starmer in charge as Corbyn, sad but true.
Years ago the Labour Party had a leader called Michael Foot, brilliant man, fantastic ideals, which I agreed with wholeheartedly, but media led by the disgusting Murdock empire ensured he would never get in power, even though he deserved to. Same as today even more so the media can terrify/ intimidate people into voting for who they want. Better for a more Centrist Labour party in power than an ultra right wing tory party in government.

Agree and my only point really.

That is all fair enough, but your question was really more of a statement than a question with only one real option of reply.

I would prefer Corbyn and mcdonnels government to Starmers, I'm also on record as a party member who voted for Starmer as leader in a move of realism to getting the tories out of power, so in essence I agree with you. My voting for Starmer and sacrifying some of my ideological beliefs is a result of seeing 12 years of sheer cruelty to the most vulnerable and I feel is the most sensible option to choose. I certainly don't correlate my choosing Starmer over another Corbyn as anything like a Labour voter switching to a scumbag like Johnson because of Corbyn or electing a slimeball like cameron because of 'red' Ed Milliband, and that seems to be the argument quite a few posters are making with the thank god Labour got their act together stuff (not the point you are making I know).

I agree, which I concede might make my question loaded, but the point of the question/statement was that there is only one choice if we want to see labour in power.

because even if he was a socialist the manifesto he ran on was far from that.
starmer is only supposedly more electable because hes an establishment plant that wont change anything.
either way it wont matter now, the UK is in a death spiral and i'd be staggered if it finds a way out at this point.

There is no 'supposedly' about it mate, he has the highest ever lead since polls began and Corbyn lost two elections. It is a fact he is more electable, there is no debate about it.

 

[Walken]

With clean coal? Do you know gas is only 20% cleaner than ordinary coal? Plus is fired out at head height, not high up in a Chimney...
The biggest polluter we have come from aeroplanes burning pure crude paraffin -
The coal i have purchased in the last two years, a bit more expensive, is made in a factory as oval shaped nuggets - my Chimney sweep remarked far less soot in the Chimney ......
Plus I burn Birch sawdust logs glued together in square blocks - they run all my central heating - hot water in the winter .....very economical too......

Without returning to the textbooks Coal is about 90 grams of co2 per megajoule and gas about 55ish, gas also contains almost twice as much energy as coal, but the problem here is that Bruce isn't advocating using more natural gas.

 

[Joey66]

How much carbon do each of these miracle cures produce Joe?

Less than flying on an aeroplane .....

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Less than flying on an aeroplane .....

Less than how many people flying where on an aeroplane compared to how much coal/wood you're burning for how long?

I think you've missed some steps here.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Googling again Bruce -

Development of new 'clean coal' technologies is attempting to address this problem so that the world's enormous resources of coal can be utilised for future generations without contributing to global warming. Much of the challenge is in commercialising the technology so that coal use would remain economically competitive despite the cost of achieving low, and eventually 'near-zero', emissions. The technologies are both costly and energy-intensive.-

& we have millions of tons of coal -

I'm not sure you're even reading the articles you're copying from Joe. Clean coal "may" be useful in countries where they generate a large proportion of their energy from coal. We don't. We already have clean sources, and those clean sources are also generated locally so can provide jobs as well. We've moved on from coal and have better, cheaper, and cleaner sources.

 

[Walken]

Less than how many people flying where on an aeroplane compared to how much coal/wood you're burning for how long?

I think you've missed some steps here.

Look mate, if you can stop flying your plane about wily nily we can make some progress here

 

[Joey66]

Less than how many people flying where on an aeroplane compared to how much coal/wood you're burning for how long?

I think you've missed some steps here.

My sweep stated to me the rich are moving over to coal & log burners as they are converting to central heating ...... another do as I say & I will do the opposite Tory way.......

 

[Walken]

I'm not sure you're even reading the articles you're copying from Joe. Clean coal "may" be useful in countries where they generate a large proportion of their energy from coal. We don't. We already have clean sources, and those clean sources are also generated locally so can provide jobs as well. We've moved on from coal and have better, cheaper, and cleaner sources.

Renewables are also the most obvious path to being a net energy producer

 

[Kurt.]

The same party who made the trade unions have a secret ballot for a strike in 2022 they should introduce the same thing i.e practice what they preach -

Remove the archaic whip -
Vote in parliament by passing secret ballot boxes around = far quicker
the speaker & their comrades to count the votes
Then declare the vote -
This would take 1/2 an hour instead of 2 hours of bullying people into booths -
When we vote for them, as an MP, do we not vote secretly into a ballot box ?

So why can't they do the same instead of the archaic system from centuries ago ?

No way would that Fracking vote would have won last night ....

IMO they can all Frack off....

Opening some of the coal mines under new technology, cleaning the coal with new technology is better that Fracking ....

Poor people are starving & they behave like school children ..... we are sitting on Black Gold the finest coal in the world The UK was at one time full of Sycamore trees It's why we have the best coal in the world - China - Poland - the USA - Germany - Russia - Columbia all mine coal that is not as good as we have we could invest in cleaning the coal with the technology of the day to get green % to keept the air clean & produce our own steel etc etc ......& they vote to cause earthquakes plus pollute the waterways .....

Not a brain amongst them ....

Get in the mines with your Dyson joe

 

[Joey66]

I'm not sure you're even reading the articles you're copying from Joe. Clean coal "may" be useful in countries where they generate a large proportion of their energy from coal. We don't. We already have clean sources, and those clean sources are also generated locally so can provide jobs as well. We've moved on from coal and have better, cheaper, and cleaner sources.

No way obscene windmills which IMO are a blot on the landscape will run 100% of our heating needs nor solar either.... we have the resources underground in today modern technology it could be done fetching employment etc & getting Union power back to the people .....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No way obscene windmills which IMO are a blot on the landscape will run 100% of our heating needs nor solar either.... we have the resources underground in today modern technology it could be done fetching employment etc & getting Union power back to the people .....

Nearly half of UK energy comes from renewables at the moment Joe, and this is only likely to improve as battery technology improves. What's more, these technologies, especially solar, are becoming more and more efficient (therefore cheaper). Coal isn't.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

No way obscene windmills which IMO are a blot on the landscape will run 100% of our heating needs nor solar either.... we have the resources underground in today modern technology it could be done fetching employment etc & getting Union power back to the people .....

Love your use of statistics

 

[mightymoyes]

Agree and my only point really.


I agree, which I concede might make my question loaded, but the point of the question/statement was that there is only one choice if we want to see labour in power.


There is no 'supposedly' about it mate, he has the highest ever lead since polls began and Corbyn lost two elections. It is a fact he is more electable, there is no debate about it.

only cos the tories have imploded and starmer is acceptable to the establishment

 

[Joey66]

Nearly half of UK energy comes from renewables at the moment Joe, and this is only likely to improve as battery technology improves. What's more, these technologies, especially solar, are becoming more and more efficient (therefore cheaper). Coal isn't.

How do you know as Thatcher flooded all the coal mines - one in Wales keeps our steel industry going atm .....why import it when we sit on it ?

 

[Lobster Johnson]

How do you know as Thatcher flooded all the coal mines - one in Wales keeps our steel industry going atm .....why import it when we sit on it ?

Because its crazy expensive to dig it up and then it costs more to buy.