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I just have one question, can they sink any lower today than yesterday? Is it even possible?
The same party who made the trade unions have a secret ballot for a strike in 2022 they should introduce the same thing i.e practice what they preach -

Remove the archaic whip -
Vote in parliament by passing secret ballot boxes around = far quicker
the speaker & their comrades to count the votes
Then declare the vote -
This would take 1/2 an hour instead of 2 hours of bullying people into booths -
When we vote for them, as an MP, do we not vote secretly into a ballot box ?

So why can't they do the same instead of the archaic system from centuries ago ?

No way would that Fracking vote would have won last night ....

IMO they can all Frack off....

Opening some of the coal mines under new technology, cleaning the coal with new technology is better that Fracking ....

Poor people are starving & they behave like school children ..... we are sitting on Black Gold the finest coal in the world The UK was at one time full of Sycamore trees It's why we have the best coal in the world - China - Poland - the USA - Germany - Russia - Columbia all mine coal that is not as good as we have we could invest in cleaning the coal with the technology of the day to get green % to keept the air clean & produce our own steel etc etc ......& they vote to cause earthquakes plus pollute the waterways .....

Not a brain amongst them ....
 
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This only underlines the major problem with British politics. We demand European levels of public services (in the case of the NHS, above European levels) and only want to pay American levels of tax. Those two things can't be squared.
Indeed, the context for the cuts under Brown was the high borrowing to bail out the banks post 2008.

Of course, people will rightfully get angry with the banks. However, New Labour did merrily allow the lax regulatory environment in which that particular crisis arose. As we've seen though, finance is a powerful sector and if you upset it / the markets, things go south.
 
I didn't say far left. I said very left wing, which is how I would describe Corbyn and I think he would say the same. How would you describe him?

The question isn't loaded, it's the option between centre left in power or further left in opposition.
Left of centre. He's to the left of Blair and Brown, but akin to many German or Scandinavian stances in terms of policy.
 
The same party who made the trade unions have a secret ballot for a strike in 2022 they should introduce the same thin ie prctice what they preach -

Remove the archaic whip -
Vote in parliament by passing secret ballot boxes around = far quicker
the speaker & their comrades to count the votes
Then declare the vote -
This would take 1/2 an hour instead of 2 hours of bullying people into booths -
When we vote for them, as an MP, do we not vote secretly into a ballot box ?

So why can't they do the same instead of the archaic system from centuries ago ?

No way would that Fracking vote would have won last night ....

IMO they can all Frack off....

Opening some of the coal mines under new technology, cleaning the coal with new technology is better that Fracking ....
I'm not going to touch the re-investment in coal bit, but agree entirely about the whip, an awful anti-democratic system.
 
Indeed, the context for the cuts under Brown was the high borrowing to bail out the banks post 2008.

Of course, people will rightfully get angry with the banks. However, New Labour did merrily allow the lax regulatory environment in which that particular crisis arose. As we've seen though, finance is a powerful sector and if you upset it / the markets, things go south.

That to me is almost (not entirely) a separate issue. Labour had to appeal to floating Tory voters in the late 90s to get into power. Part of that was the infamous "light touch" regulation of the City and BoE independence to set interest rates: creating a perception that they were, as Mandelson famously remarked "intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich"

Those regulators were, are and will always be 3 steps behind what is actually happening in banks and on trading floors, no matter what their powers. It's the nature of the beast. How many years was it after the event that the LIBOR scandal came to light?
 
The same party who made the trade unions have a secret ballot for a strike in 2022 they should introduce the same thing i.e practice what they preach -

Remove the archaic whip -
Vote in parliament by passing secret ballot boxes around = far quicker
the speaker & their comrades to count the votes
Then declare the vote -
This would take 1/2 an hour instead of 2 hours of bullying people into booths -
When we vote for them, as an MP, do we not vote secretly into a ballot box ?

So why can't they do the same instead of the archaic system from centuries ago ?

No way would that Fracking vote would have won last night ....

IMO they can all Frack off....

Opening some of the coal mines under new technology, cleaning the coal with new technology is better that Fracking ....

Poor people are starving & they behave like school children ..... we are sitting on Black Gold the finest coal in the world The UK was at one time full of Sycamore trees It's why we have the best coal in the world - China - Poland - the USA - Germany - Russia - Columbia all mine coal that is not as good as we have we could invest in cleaning the coal with the technology of the day to get green % to keept the air clean & produce our own steel etc etc ......& they vote to cause earthquakes plus pollute the waterways .....

Not a brain amongst them ....

There's no such thing as clean coal Joey. It's a coal industry marketing scam.

Likewise, if mining coal is so profitable, why is nobody doing it?
 
This only underlines the major problem with British politics. We demand European levels of public services (in the case of the NHS, above European levels) and only want to pay American levels of tax. Those two things can't be squared.
The NHS is politicized though. If we said to voters that only 62% of hospitals would be state owned, as is the case in France, do you think people would accept that, even if expenditure on healthcare rose?
 
I'm not going to touch the re-investment in coal bit, but agree entirely about the whip, an awful anti-democratic system.
I hope you dont live by a Fracking site where a bent planning officer will pass Fracking through - expected poisoned waterways & the odd earthquake & subsidence .....
The vast USA tried it - it was a disaster for people & the environment .....
 
The NHS is politicized though. If we said to voters that only 62% of hospitals would be state owned, as is the case in France, do you think people would accept that, even if expenditure on healthcare rose?

The NHS is more than politicised, it's our national religion. So to answer your question, no.
 
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