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DuuuncanHadaPigeon said:
Would you rather have a centre left labour party in power, or a very left wing labour party in eternal opposition?
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The former, easily. The Blair / Brown years were often contradictory (deregulating many industries and trying to ameliorate inequalities were not entirely easy bedfellows) and I could live without another Iraq war, but the country was arguably in a far better shape by and large.
 
All I want for Christmas is for the current conservative government to be marooned on a deserted island so they can play out their Lord of the Flies fantasy without making life unbearable for anyone else.

How low does it have to get. We've now got a guy who ran a ponzi scheme in charge of law and order.

What will happen in the circus today?
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
The former, easily. The Blair / Brown years were often contradictory (deregulating many industries and trying to ameliorate inequalities were not entirely easy bedfellows) and I could live without another Iraq war, but the country was arguably in a far better shape by and large.
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My sister, neo-natal specialist, is always amazed at how little of the current NHS crisis is linked back to Osborne. It all starts with austerity, deliberate, calculated acts of cruelty.
 
Bohemian Toffee said:
My sister, neo-natal specialist, is always amazed at how little of the current NHS crisis is linked back to Osborne. It all starts with austerity, deliberate, calculated acts of cruelty.
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I'll be brutally honest here, cuts were on the cards under Brown going into the 2010 election. I know the former chair of a Primary Care Trust (remember those? Before Lawnsley decided to create CCGs) who told me that all PCTs were being told to find significant savings without affecting front line services. It was apparently quite brutal, leading to a few resignations. I.e. to achieve the level of savings was not possible.

Of course, Osbourne et al happily carried on that track and more. With particular zeal. And we've never recovered since.
 
Walken said:
You cant load questions then ask for reasoned debate, you are arguing in very poor faith. Far left? Give me a break
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I didn't say far left. I said very left wing, which is how I would describe Corbyn and I think he would say the same. How would you describe him?

The question isn't loaded, it's the option between centre left in power or further left in opposition.
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
I'll be brutally honest here, cuts were on the cards under Brown going into the 2010 election. I know the former chair of a Primary Care Trust (remember those? Before Lawnsley decided to create CCGs) who told me that all PCTs were being told to find significant savings without affecting front line services. It was apparently quite brutal, leading to a few resignations. I.e. to achieve the level of savings was not possible.

Of course, Osbourne et al happily carried on that track and more. With particular zeal. And we've never recovered since.
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This only underlines the major problem with British politics. We demand European levels of public services (in the case of the NHS, above European levels) and only want to pay American levels of tax. Those two things can't be squared.
 
DuuuncanHadaPigeon said:
I didn't say far left. I said very left wing, which is how I would describe Corbyn and I think he would say the same. How would you describe him?

The question isn't loaded, it's the option between centre left in power or further left in opposition.
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It absolutely is a loaded question, would you rather jump off a bridge or have your legs chopped off? It's nonsense and targeting the wrong people.
 
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