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[mightymoyes]

No but you on the left only ever wanna talk about the West.

Saudi stoning gays to death - western white mans fault

China hauling muslims into re-education camps - Western white mans fault

Russia invading over countries - western white mans fault

North Korea feeding POWs to rabid dogs - western white mans fault

The problem with those on the left (as a problem with those on the right) is that everything they read politically and historically is done through an echo chamber of authors of the same political leaning therefore your view on everything is always with red or blue tinted specs on.

A good example - a Green Party voting mate of mine who is very woke was astounded to know that in the days of slavery in the South of USA there were also black plantation/slave owners not just white. He didnt know that as they dont teach you that in school.

Im a centrist I call out the fools on both sides of the spectrum who believe only what they choose to believe.

we live in the west you moron, thats what we can change.
who helped create al quieda?
who destroyed iraq?
who destroyed lybia?
who helped create isis?
who overthrows democratically elected govts they dont like?
who appeases and encourages apartheid in israel?
who's main industries are arms dealing and money laundering?
etc, etc, etc

and no blames 'western white men' for any of those things you stated, right-wing loonies like you are projecting.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

are there any fools in the centre?

There probably is like, but most fellow Centrists I associate with take a balanced view of both sides of the coin on matters whereas when you're dealing with those on the left or right you only ever hear one side of the story!

A good example is China - they are committing human rights atrocities, destroying the climate, hunting animals to the verge of extinction, not putting regulations in place for these barbaric and unsafe wet markets that seem to contribute to creation of harmful pathogens one in which has near tanked the world health systems and economies - yet the Left dont care about this unless its the West involved or the aggressor is white - people have Ukrainian flags what about the people of Yemen getting slaughtered by the Saudi's ? The Left dont say much there.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

we live in the west you moron, thats what we can change.
who helped create al quieda?
who destroyed iraq?
who destroyed lybia?
who helped create isis?
who overthrows democratically elected govts they dont like?
who appeases and encourages apartheid in israel?
who's main industries are arms dealing and money laundering?
etc, etc, etc

and no blames 'western white men' for any of those things you stated, right-wing loonies like you are projecting.

No ones saying the West is squeeky clean - every nation on the planet has comitted some kind lf atrocity throughout recorded history.

All I am saying is be consistent when you're calling out shenanigans and not just when it involves the West !

 

[mightymoyes]

There probably is like, but most fellow Centrists I associate with take a balanced view of both sides of the coin on matters whereas when you're dealing with those on the left or right you only ever hear one side of the story!

A good example is China - they are committing human rights atrocities, destroying the climate, hunting animals to the verge of extinction, not putting regulations in place for these barbaric and unsafe wet markets that seem to contribute to creation of harmful pathogens one in which has near tanked the world health systems and economies - yet the Left dont care about this unless its the West involved or the aggressor is white - people have Ukrainian flags what about the people of Yemen getting slaughtered by the Saudi's ? The Left dont say much there.

now you're seriously just taking the piss or as thick as liz truss

 

[ForeverBlue92]

now you're seriously just taking the piss or as thick as liz truss

I've seen a lot of left leaning folk with Ukranian flags on their twitter/social media handles - not seen one with Yemeni flag.

You even had a high profile Labour politician in the North East who was begging for the PL to approve the Saudi Newcastle takeover.

 

[mightymoyes]

I've seen a lot of left leaning folk with Ukranian flags on their twitter/social media handles - not seen one with Yemeni flag.

You even had a high profile Labour politician in the North East who was begging for the PL to approve the Saudi Newcastle takeover.

BS, any left criticism of whats happening in Yemen is being drowned out because its being funded, encouraged and done with british and american backing and weapons

 

[Marius57]

There probably is like, but most fellow Centrists I associate with take a balanced view of both sides of the coin on matters whereas when you're dealing with those on the left or right you only ever hear one side of the story!

A good example is China - they are committing human rights atrocities, destroying the climate, hunting animals to the verge of extinction, not putting regulations in place for these barbaric and unsafe wet markets that seem to contribute to creation of harmful pathogens one in which has near tanked the world health systems and economies - yet the Left dont care about this unless its the West involved or the aggressor is white - people have Ukrainian flags what about the people of Yemen getting slaughtered by the Saudi's ? The Left dont say much there.

I'm on the left and I care about all that. It's almost like you just believe what you read in the daily mail and made a sweeping judgement about "the left".

What's the definition of woke?

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

There probably is like, but most fellow Centrists I associate with take a balanced view of both sides of the coin on matters whereas when you're dealing with those on the left or right you only ever hear one side of the story!

A good example is China - they are committing human rights atrocities, destroying the climate, hunting animals to the verge of extinction, not putting regulations in place for these barbaric and unsafe wet markets that seem to contribute to creation of harmful pathogens one in which has near tanked the world health systems and economies - yet the Left dont care about this unless its the West involved or the aggressor is white - people have Ukrainian flags what about the people of Yemen getting slaughtered by the Saudi's ? The Left dont say much there.

Funny how many people who call themselves “centrists” spend so much of their time criticising the Left and whinging about “wokeness” without ever really defining what they mean by it

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

So come on then. Who’s going to stand up and argue that this lot are still the best option for this country.

Have at it.

 

[Tree13]

I'm on the left and I care about all that. It's almost like you just believe what you read in the daily mail and made a sweeping judgement about "the left".

What's the definition of woke?

Doesn't understand the difference between "less" and "fewer", gets annoyed at people spending time noting the distinction....

Spams thread repeatedly asking for a definition of "woke", after identifying as woke.

Sublime.

 

[Tree13]

So come on then. Who’s going to stand up and argue that this lot are still the best option for this country.

Have at it.

Not me.

Sunak was the correct choice, in the context of the decision we were asked to make. Although there were also other candidates who I would have preferred to see in the final two.

God knows what happens at the next GE - there's no guarantee Truss will last that long and frankly I wouldn't want her to. It's entirely possible that both the Tories and Labour will have different leaders in place before the next GE.

 

[Marius57]

Doesn't understand the difference between "less" and "fewer", gets annoyed at people spending time noting the distinction....

Spams thread repeatedly asking for a definition of "woke", after identifying as woke.

Sublime.

I fully understand the difference but it it didn't impact on the understanding of what I wrote.

If a word is being used as an insult then I want to know how they define it. I consider myself as woke and I understand the definition of it, so I struggle to see how it can be considered an insult. The fact he can't define it, would indicate he either doesn't understand it, or has a different definition. Just want to clarify that.

 

[Tree13]

I fully understand the difference but it it didn't impact on the understanding of what I wrote.

If a word is being used as an insult then I want to know how they define it. I consider myself as woke and I understand the definition of it, so I struggle to see how it can be considered an insult. The fact he can't define it, would indicate he either doesn't understand it, or has a different definition. Just want to clarify that.

Ah. So it's only a waste of time if YOU say so.

Got it.

 

[Marius57]

Ah. So it's only a waste of time if YOU say so.

Got it.

Insulting someone using particular terms without clarifying (or knowing) what they mean is different to pointing out minor mistakes in grammar that didn't change the understanding of it.

So yeah, what you did was a waste of time. What he is doing is attempting to insult people with a particular word that he has said repeatedly in the last few pages of this thread. Sorry for calling that out.

 

[mightymoyes]

Not me.

Sunak was the correct choice, in the context of the decision we were asked to make. Although there were also other candidates who I would have preferred to see in the final two.

God knows what happens at the next GE - there's no guarantee Truss will last that long and frankly I wouldn't want her to. It's entirely possible that both the Tories and Labour will have different leaders in place before the next GE.

starmer is going nowhere unfortunately, he has taken the tories spot in the centre/right of centre and the people who make these decisions will be happy.