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I think it’s an inevitability unless you want forced sterilisation/abortion/adoption.

The problem I have always thought is inherent chaos. Generations being brought up in extreme stress and chaos without any order and this gets replicated as the norm. People are taught to live day to day or week to week. Having kids without thinking of support, different dads etc. All comes with the life. But if you start saying they shouldn’t have kids you enter a problematic area of discussion.

I’ve worked many times with parents who’ve had their kids taken off them and live in high stress chaos. Also worked with many low income families who give more love and care to their kids than many middle class families.

It’s a contentious discussion but blaming parents doesn’t help in my opinion.
Suffice it to say, I'm not in any way advocating for someone determining whether people can or can't have kids. That's very much a personal decision. Equally, I don't doubt whatsoever that stressful circumstances prompt us to make bad decisions in life. It just gets on my nuts the amount of times the wife comes home and says she's working with a family (or often a single parent) with awful housing, no money, and a generally terrible situation, and they choose to bring a child into that. That they often explain their situation as being one of getting pregnant "by accident" is a common excuse. It's a Daily Mail wet dream.

Contrast that with another couple and the dad was diagnosed with a terminal illness about a month after she got pregnant. He died soon after the child was born. I don't think anyone would begrudge her support in such circumstances, but I don't believe welfare should be a permanent excuse for bad decision after bad decision. Like you say, it's often not about money. Many immigrant families in our neighbourhood are no recourse to public funds and yet have their shizz together and get by pretty well. Others have all the help imaginable and still balls things up.

Heaven knows this government does a bloody lot wrong, but equally, we have to accept that they're not here to run our lives for us nor clean up after every mess of our own making. There are times when we need to take responsibility for our own lives.
 
Heaven knows this government does a bloody lot wrong, but equally, we have to accept that they're not here to run our lives for us nor clean up after every mess of our own making. There are times when we need to take responsibility for our own lives.

I mean I agree to an extent, but if you see numbers of rough sleepers increasing, greater food bank dependency, more kids being taken into care or more school children going hungry at lunch times, it has to mean something. I’m sure bad decisions have been made multiple times by many people in those predicaments but that doesn’t mean that government shouldn’t investigate and implement ways of intervening and assessing how their own policies have caused this.

The problem is, solutions are expensive and won’t gain many votes.
 


"Scummy tories" was a much better name for this thread

I'd feel much happier if the opposition were pledging to introduce some kind of regulation so that lying and misinformation had actual punishments like they do in other professions. To my knowledge, they haven't done that, which is pretty underwhelming. You'd think with Starmer being a lawyer this would be an open goal. Make politics honest and accountable again.
 
I'd feel much happier if the opposition were pledging to introduce some kind of regulation so that lying and misinformation had actual punishments like they do in other professions. To my knowledge, they haven't done that, which is pretty underwhelming. You'd think with Starmer being a lawyer this would be an open goal. Make politics honest and accountable again.
Would be hugely to Labour’s benefit as well. Surprised they haven’t pulled this out as would be a strong message and separate themselves from the tories and the ‘all politicians are the same’ mantra.

Labour must have the worst political advisers going.
 
I genuinely believe he is taking the p out of people who will experience real hardship and he will have a good laugh with his rich mates about it. Vile individual
Tbf I think they just have absolutely no idea how 99.9% of the population survive and absolutely no interest in understanding or helping. Its all just a game with their mates.
 
I genuinely believe he is taking the p out of people who will experience real hardship and he will have a good laugh with his rich mates about it. Vile individual
In the words of his wife:

‘You just don’t care for anything because you’re spoilt’

I’ve known people like Johnson. Everything comes easy to him and no one else matters.
 
I'd feel much happier if the opposition were pledging to introduce some kind of regulation so that lying and misinformation had actual punishments like they do in other professions. To my knowledge, they haven't done that, which is pretty underwhelming. You'd think with Starmer being a lawyer this would be an open goal. Make politics honest and accountable again.

100% agree on that Bruce, hopefully when he gets in power, he will.
 
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