carlos21
KING OF REP
I agree with what you are saying here good question that mate
The Budget
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If your income is £100 and you're spending £200, then cutting your spending to £150 is still going to increase your debt.
The NHS isn't being privatised btw. Lets not be silly. There's more than enough to choose from if you want to criticise the government without dipping into fantasy land.
Where's the Tory funded Taxpayers Alliance when you need them? They will probably be on later telling us all that we 'can't afford this or that' but can afford tax breaks/ government funded interest rates i.e tax payers money, for this and that, that benefits those with money. The thieving of tax payers money to shift it to the rich is always the priority of the Tories.
SpurtingLesbian
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It already got abolished by it's own criteria by the National Health Act 2012. The reductions in funding and antagonising of staff are designed to collapse the whole system. Massive chunks of it are now being run by private healthcare companies and treatments are routinely denied to patients in certain areas because the expense cuts into profits. All bar one local authorities have moved form a healthy surplus (which allows them to plan for the future and react to changing needs) to being massively in debt. The system is on the brink of catastrophic collapse and the Government reaction is to put Hunt in charge to make sure it happens quicker. We are only a couple of short steps away from compulsory private healthcare, akin to the American model which is about as far away form the NHS as you can get, even the Americans are trying to get away from it now. This has been the plan all along.
To not even concede it's being privatised is naive at best.
All of my clients will be worse off 2016/17, and I'm not talking about well off people - I deal with micro businesses.
In fact 2 of my clients and myself will be hit harder than any of the others because we are single, so will lose NI allowance as well as being taxed on dividends received in excess of £5k.
Assuming the changes from the autumn statement are implemented, this will be more of a Labour budget than any since the late 70's.
In fact 2 of my clients and myself will be hit harder than any of the others because we are single, so will lose NI allowance as well as being taxed on dividends received in excess of £5k.
Assuming the changes from the autumn statement are implemented, this will be more of a Labour budget than any since the late 70's.
SpurtingLesbian
Ken Dodd Nagasaki
The legislation has already passed, it's inescapable now. The deals were done years ago.
SpurtingLesbian
Ken Dodd Nagasaki
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...tion-the-uk-no-longer-has-a-nhs-a6923126.html
Terrifyingly, according to the World Health Organisation definition the UK no longer has a NHS
- Thursday 10 March 2016
The NHS Reinstatement Bill may be the final hope we have of getting our NHS back
34 per cent of NHS contracts are going to the private sector
The NHS has actually been abolished.
Now you may think that this is untrue. After all, you still go and see your GP or may be admitted to hospital and receive care free at the point of delivery. However, the Health & Social Care Act 2012 has abolished the NHS in legislative terms. It has achieved this through several mechanisms.
It has axed the government's responsibility for the NHS. It has devolved responsibility to Clinical Commissioning Groups (CCGs). The CCGs have no legal obligation to provide you with anything beyond emergency care - this may not be the case at present but it means that there is no legal guarantee that they will continue to do so.
It has opened up the NHS to unlimited privatisation. The government continues to deny that privatisation is taking place - of course they do. A simple rebuffal comes from the World Health Organisation definition of healthcare privatisation, which describes it as the increasing financing and/or provision of healthcare by non-governmental actors. And the NHS Support Federation has shown that £30 billion of NHS contracts have been tendered since the Act came into effect. £16 billion have been awarded with 34 per cent going to the private sector.
The introduction of market forces increases cost, reduces efficiency and increases iniquitous provision of healthcare. We know this from extensive data across many countries. This is because privatisation seeks to make profits, pays out dividends to shareholders and creates layers of bureaucracy administered by tiers of staff and managers through market mechanisms such as billing, tendering and contracting.The simple truth is that public healthcare systems are the most cost efficient.
The Private Finance Initiative (PFI) was touted as the largest hospital building programme in the history of the NHS. The outcome has been that PFI hospitals with an original cost of around £11.5 billion will actually cost up to £80 billion with the difference going to private consortia. Across all infrastructure, PFI will end up costing an extra £250 billion.
It is worth bearing this in mind the next time you hear about A&E in crisis or another beleaguered hospital. And when you hear a minister or policy wonk pontificating about the NHS crisis remember that the solution is not more privatisation. We all stand to lose from the introduction of charging and universal private health insurance.
The NHS Reinstatement Bill, written by Professor Allyson Pollock and Peter Roderick and sponsored by Caroline Lucas MP, will have its second hearing in Parliament on Friday 11th March 11th. It has extensive cross-party support from 72 MPs including Green, Liberal Democrat and the SNP.
This legislation would 'renationalise' the NHS and restore it to its original remit. It would repeal the Health & Social Care Act 2012, protect the NHS from the Transatlantic Trade & Investment Partnership (TTIP) and from ruinously expensive partnerships with the private sector, reverse the internal market (as is already the case in Scotland) and attempt to solve the toxic problem of PFI debt.
Some doctors warned at the time that the Health and Social Care Act 2012 would further privatise the NHS. But they were ignored.
Health act means the death of the NHS as we know it ...
But the NHS hasn't been privatised. Now that is fantasy land.
dandydan
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Then vote brexit and you might have a chance.
I fear you're muddling two things. You talk about provision of care having non-state bodies participating, and then leap to the conclusion that we will inevitably move to a world where you have to pay directly for the care you receive.
I've done a fair bit of work in the NHS in recent years, and there is undoubtedly a big increase in work being done with the private sector, as well as academia and the voluntary sector. That isn't because Simon Stevens (who funnily enough no one ever mentions when they talk about the NHS, despite him actually running it, not Hunt) is some criminal mastermind, but because they accept that they don't have all of the answers to tackle the many health problems facing society.
The NHS has been on the brink of catastrophic collapse ever since it was created. It would be helpful to assess its strengths and weaknesses objectively rather than getting all dramatic as you'll only end up needing treatment for your blood pressure if you carry on like this.
Oh the irony of advocating a move based upon the belief that 'we don't need no EU' to trade with the world, in order to oppose a free trade treaty with the biggest economy in the world. I suppose if we didn't want to increase trade with America and Canada we could always trade with Europe. Oh, hang on, we've just left the EU as well...
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