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[Walken]

Or pay lip service to the problem and ultimately ignore it as them and their own can afford to go private. Wages won't rise when there is the option of simply letting standards slip.

Like researching cures for deadly diseases, looking after the homeless, emergency services and feeding the poor, the care of the elderly and vulnerable will simply fall into the category of charity once it is no longer profitable enough for the private sector.

I was at Uni when the care industry started to really move to privatization and working as a support worker at an agency getting sent all over the shop. The difference between the privately run places and council run was alarming, the most alarming difference was how the staff were treated. In the council run places they were treated as a valuable asset offered a good wage, pension and regular training. The private run places were profit by any means and very lucky if they got a manager who cared who then had to works hours on end for free to make sure the respite was up to standards for the kids. Heartbreaking to watch parents with bags under there eyes hand their kids over for a few days respite with guilt on their faces, knowing standards were dropping

 

[Walken]

I hand on heart believe that anyone who has voted in any election with immigration being the deciding factor for their vote is a racist

 

[gonetomorrow]

Or pay lip service to the problem and ultimately ignore it as them and their own can afford to go private. Wages won't rise when there is the option of simply letting standards slip.

Like researching cures for deadly diseases, looking after the homeless, emergency services and feeding the poor, the care of the elderly and vulnerable will simply fall into the category of charity once it is no longer profitable enough for the private sector.

I know but I'm trying to look on the bright side. I voted Remain but there's always hope. Otherwise we may as well give up.

 

[Khalekan]

Is this yet another in the long list of things which are a “benefit” of Brexit?

I suspect not

But hey ho....

Google's decision to shift control of UK user data to the US looks like a calculated political bet that Brexit will be a privacy disaster

Google is shipping control of its UK user data to the US, with serious privacy implications.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Jebus_lives]

Fair comment, and there are no doubt thousands of immigrants that have contributed massively to our society. Unfortunately, there are thousands that probably haven't. I don't really see what her point is. Surely for someone educated to PhD level, she can see that what she has done since getting here is pretty irrelevant. We can only go on what we know at point of entry. At point of entry - under the new criteria - she would not have been allowed in. I don't know why she has an issue with that, unless of course she thinks she should be let in, because of her PhD. This reeks of entitlement.

I am like you - the only social media I touch is this. I am only on here this week because I am laid up after keyhole on my knee. So I am putting a lot of this down to being stir crazy ha.

Tanja Bueltmann - Wikipedia

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Tanja Bueltmann

Tanja is an expert in diaspora and migration history, especially the history of ethnic associational culture. Tanja teaches at Northumbria University, Newcastle within the Department of Humanities.

www.northumbria.ac.uk

Her time here doesn't seem that irrelevant.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I just believe that all immigration should be controlled - that includes the EU. I am not anti-immigration. Nor am I, judging by some of the responses, a racist bigot that has a phobia with regards to foreigners (I think that might be a xenophobe - so I got the three big ones there).

This may shock you - but in that referendum, I actually voted to remain. To be honest, I didn't really put a lot of thought into my vote. The EU was just something I had grown up with, so why change it. Thing is - the vote went the other way, and I couldn't really fathom why people could be so stupid to want to leave - so I started to look into it. I eventually came to the conclusion that I wanted us to leave (this did shock me a bit to be honest). It was irrelevant what I thought though - The simple fact is that we had to leave - the country voted. We are a democracy. That's how it works.

Something else crossed my mind though, and it was this:- If the country voted to leave the EU, but the final decision was left to the EU, would the EU let us leave? My conclusion to that was:- No. They wouldn't. This was what swayed me.

What I found to be an absolute disgrace though, was the abuse that was dished out by many people that didn't like the result of that referendum. Bigot, racist, little englander, xenophobe, gammon etc. It was shocking. Unfortunately - that is still happening. You can see from the responses in this forum, and from the other forums, that it is basically the default argument. Hardly anyone debates - they just shout you down. You haven't done that, and it is appreciated.

I think we should leave the EU, not because of immigration, but because we should be governed by people we ourselves have elected. We should be able to remove those people if they are failing us. This is not the case with the EU.

This sounds rather like you don't really understand the EU all that much.

On your other points, why stop with controlling those who enter the country, why don't we look to remove those who we don't deem meet the necessary criteria from the country? This is about getting the best and brightest, so why should where you were born allow you to stay here?

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

In what way am I missing the argument? The serial killer line was an ridiculous example. I thought that would have been obvious.

Fixed that for you.

 

[tremont]

This sounds rather like you don't really understand the EU all that much.

On your other points, why stop with controlling those who enter the country, why don't we look to remove those who we don't deem meet the necessary criteria from the country? This is about getting the best and brightest, so why should where you were born allow you to stay here?

Are you going to tell me why my last paragraph is incorrect? Or are you just going to tell me I don't understand. It's not like we haven't had that sort of BS for the last three years.

Your second paragraph is nonsense. You know that though. It's a bit like a vegan calling me a murderer because I like kebabs - it has no credibility.

 

[Yarrgh]

This campaign ad from 2016 hasn't exactly aged well.

Not if you'd have voted neither!

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

If I subscribe to Brexit mindset. When driving round I come across Laura Ashley and there lorries they particularly large and not designed for mid Wales roads in my opinion. Just heard they are enforcing annual leave on their staff from depot near me. Getting Brexit done I get my roads back. As for the staff go and pick fruit.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

This may shock you - but in that referendum, I actually voted to remain. To be honest, I didn't really put a lot of thought into my vote

Indeed, reckon this will be a very common admission as Brexiteers disappear up and down the land. Nothing like some ownership...

 

[dead_soft]

I just believe that all immigration should be controlled - that includes the EU. I am not anti-immigration. Nor am I, judging by some of the responses, a racist bigot that has a phobia with regards to foreigners (I think that might be a xenophobe - so I got the three big ones there).

This may shock you - but in that referendum, I actually voted to remain. To be honest, I didn't really put a lot of thought into my vote. The EU was just something I had grown up with, so why change it. Thing is - the vote went the other way, and I couldn't really fathom why people could be so stupid to want to leave - so I started to look into it. I eventually came to the conclusion that I wanted us to leave (this did shock me a bit to be honest). It was irrelevant what I thought though - The simple fact is that we had to leave - the country voted. We are a democracy. That's how it works.

Something else crossed my mind though, and it was this:- If the country voted to leave the EU, but the final decision was left to the EU, would the EU let us leave? My conclusion to that was:- No. They wouldn't. This was what swayed me.

What I found to be an absolute disgrace though, was the abuse that was dished out by many people that didn't like the result of that referendum. Bigot, racist, little englander, xenophobe, gammon etc. It was shocking. Unfortunately - that is still happening. You can see from the responses in this forum, and from the other forums, that it is basically the default argument. Hardly anyone debates - they just shout you down. You haven't done that, and it is appreciated.

I think we should leave the EU, not because of immigration, but because we should be governed by people we ourselves have elected. We should be able to remove those people if they are failing us. This is not the case with the EU.

What do you think the European elections were for?

 

[tremont]

Tanja Bueltmann - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Tanja Bueltmann

Tanja is an expert in diaspora and migration history, especially the history of ethnic associational culture. Tanja teaches at Northumbria University, Newcastle within the Department of Humanities.

www.northumbria.ac.uk

Her time here doesn't seem that irrelevant.

It is completely irrelevant. You seem to have cherry picked here. I have stated several times that anything she did after she gained entry to the UK is irrelevant, because at the time of entry nobody knew what kind of person she was, as none of the good stuff she did had happened. So again - A person trying to gain entry to any country - armed only with a PhD - should not be allowed access if that person does not have any of the other credentials required.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Are you going to tell me why my last paragraph is incorrect? Or are you just going to tell me I don't understand. It's not like we haven't had that sort of BS for the last three years.

Your second paragraph is nonsense. You know that though. It's a bit like a vegan calling me a murderer because I like kebabs - it has no credibility.

Perhaps your second paragraph could take some advice from your first.

 

[Jebus_lives]

It is completely irrelevant. You seem to have cherry picked here. I have stated several times that anything she did after she gained entry to the UK is irrelevant, because at the time of entry nobody knew what kind of person she was, as none of the good stuff she did had happened. So again - A person trying to gain entry to any country - armed only with a PhD - should not be allowed access if that person does not have any of the other credentials required.

Surely the point is that the proposed system does not adequately acknowledge the value of individuals like her.

Far from irrelevance, the contribution she has made in her time in the UK, which even my early morning research could tell me, is fairly significant.

I noted earlier that you suggested she may, in extreme circumstances, turn out to be a serial killer and I wonder, under what system that we currently don't already have the capability to prevent this type of person gaining entry would you suggest we use to decide this?