Current Affairs The "another stabbing in London" thread

[peteblue]

Do you actually read the things you select as evidence?

I say that because, for a start, sending people out on single patrol is exactly the sort of "efficiency" or "operational effectiveness" measures that your lot so cherish - indeed it was the Commissioner Boris appointed that came up with that wheeze, and with the enthusiastic backing of the Tories (as shown in this wonderful piece of online history - "200 Achievements of Boris Johnson as Mayor of London"):



As an extra gift, please check out number 17 on that list.

Secondly, I would point out that sub-five foot woman did have the balls to try and detain a bloke a foot taller than herself, by herself, in the middle of Brixton. When that didn't work she called for help, which arrived (though not from the bloke who decided to film it all) and the bloke was safely detained. A knife was recovered.

It is somewhat mad that you appear to be critizing someone braver than yourself for doing something that I think everyone here would be glad she did despite the fact that the likes of you have denied her the support with which to do it.

Once again you grab the wrong end of the stick. I have nothing but admiration for what that lady attempted to do and nothing but contempt for those who did not help. You previously accused me of not understanding efficiency or operational effectiveness yet clearly demonstrate your own lack of understanding.

The video showed quite clearly that the lady in that situation was not effective. This led to a police van arriving plus an additional police car, so nor was it efficient. It was stupid policing that could easily have led to the death of the police lady. This is why kids on motorbikes and gangs with knives laugh at the police and are then emboldened to be even worse. I don’t blame the policemen and women, I blame the Police management and those that make and generate excuses for them....

 

[peteblue]

Unfortunately, @COYBL25 is correct here - at least in the mainstay. Unless you hold a relevant qualification your options for promotion are incredibly limited.

In fact, very shortly you'll be unable to join the police without a degree-level qualification, and the BTP are already almost at this point with their training format.

This may ensure you have a grounding of the laws, modern principles of policing and managements strategies etc. but it in no way makes you a good cop!

It simply ensures that people with very little experience of policing (especially how to police the streets) implement grandiose plans with no real credibility.

Exactly....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

A reduction in over 20,000 police officers since 2010 has had no impact on crime levels or percentage of crimes solved......honest. Neither has the 17% shortfall in detectives.....it’s merely a coincidence and not the result of a political decision.

 

[tsubaki]

Once again you grab the wrong end of the stick. I have nothing but admiration for what that lady attempted to do and nothing but contempt for those who did not help. You previously accused me of not understanding efficiency or operational effectiveness yet clearly demonstrate your own lack of understanding.

The video showed quite clearly that the lady in that situation was not effective. This led to a police van arriving plus an additional police car, so nor was it efficient. It was stupid policing that could easily have led to the death of the police lady. This is why kids on motorbikes and gangs with knives laugh at the police and are then emboldened to be even worse. I don’t blame the policemen and women, I blame the Police management and those that make and generate excuses for them....

Having read this reply I am more convinced than ever that you don't understand what efficiency or operational effectiveness means. Are you saying that the officer shouldn't have done what she did or that the extra officers shouldn't have been sent to help her?

As for the last sentence, given that your history on this forum is to make and generate excuses for the Tory Party its a bit rich for you to blame the people who have to try and deal with what that party has done for not being able to do it.

 

[tsubaki]

A reduction in over 20,000 police officers since 2010 has had no impact on crime levels or percentage of crimes solved......honest. Neither has the 17% shortfall in detectives.....it’s merely a coincidence and not the result of a political decision.

I think we are being told its the fault of police management.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I think we are being told its the fault of police management.

Oh right, the old Tory mantra of efficiency. Pretty difficult being fully efficient if you’re woefully under staffed and reduced to being merely a reactive police ‘force’ based in large centralised HQ’s as opposed to being a locally based police service.....

 

[tsubaki]

Unfortunately, @COYBL25 is correct here - at least in the mainstay. Unless you hold a relevant qualification your options for promotion are incredibly limited.

In fact, very shortly you'll be unable to join the police without a degree-level qualification, and the BTP are already almost at this point with their training format.

This may ensure you have a grounding of the laws, modern principles of policing and managements strategies etc. but it in no way makes you a good cop!

It simply ensures that people with very little experience of policing (especially how to police the streets) implement grandiose plans with no real credibility.

They are bringing that (entry only for degrees) in, but it is not the case that you have to have a relevant qualification to be promoted above the rank of Inspector - at least in London.

 

[PhilM]

They are bringing that (entry only for degrees) in, but it is not the case that you have to have a relevant qualification to be promoted above the rank of Inspector - at least in London.

Like @COYBL25 mentioned, there's no specific requirement for such a qualification, however in reality the chances of being chosen are slim to none.

It's certainly the case in Merpol, GMP, Cheshire, Lancashire, BTP and from the people I've spoken to also the Met (perhaps to a lesser degree?).

ACPO and the College of Policing (formerly NPIA) are undoubtedly push towards an entirely university educated police force, regardless of their actual talents.

 

[tsubaki]

Like @COYBL25 mentioned, there's no specific requirement for such a qualification, however in reality the chances of being chosen are slim to none.

It's certainly the case in Merpol, GMP, Cheshire, Lancashire, BTP and from the people I've spoken to also the Met (perhaps to a lesser degree?).

ACPO and the College of Policing (formerly NPIA) are undoubtedly push towards an entirely university educated police force, regardless of their actual talents.

Some of the things that the College of Policing wants to do would make the current crisis seem tame by comparison.

 

[PhilM]

Some of the things that the College of Policing wants to do would make the current crisis seem tame by comparison.

They're a law unto themselves with regards to the direction of many aspects of national policing, yet subsequent governments (since Blair) give them such control.

It's another debate entirely, which I'd be happy to have, but I sincerely fear what calibre of policing there will be in ten or fifteen years if the current trend continues.

 

[tsubaki]

They're a law unto themselves with regards to the direction of many aspects of national policing, yet subsequent governments (since Blair) give them such control.

It's another debate entirely, which I'd be happy to have, but I sincerely fear what calibre of policing there will be in ten or fifteen years if the current trend continues.

NPIA and ACPO were bad, but the College seems to be the militant wing of the Home Office (or more specifically, May's Home Office).

 

[COYBL25]

NPIA and ACPO were bad, but the College seems to be the militant wing of the Home Office (or more specifically, May's Home Office).

Don't even get me started on the white elephant that's the National Crime Agency

 

[PhilM]

NPIA and ACPO were bad, but the College seems to be the militant wing of the Home Office (or more specifically, May's Home Office).

ACPO is also awash with militant leadership ranks, alongside carefully chosen 'staff' (with College links) who have authority, so it's brewing a perfect storm.

 

[tsubaki]

Don't even get me started on the white elephant that's the National Crime Agency

To be honest I can't think of any organization that sums up the idiocy of recent governments than SOCA / the NCA.

Lets have a British FBI! Lets not fund it properly though.

 

[tsubaki]

ACPO is also awash with militant leadership ranks, alongside carefully chosen 'staff' (with College links) who have authority, so it's brewing a perfect storm.

Indeed, but that is what is required to get on. For every Brunstrom there are about a hundred Hogan-Howes.