Current Affairs The "another stabbing in London" thread

[PhilM]

Indeed, but that is what is required to get on. For every Brunstrom there are about a hundred Hogan-Howes.

From personal experience, I've got a fair bit of respect for Hogan-Howes as he took no nonsense from the ACCs etc around him - he could be a real nightmare.

Furthermore, to a certain extent allowed the job to get done; certainly he was at the forefront of the new generation of officer ranks, but he had a good balance.

Maybe he changed when he was in the Met with all it's own political links and more sensitive issues. He was without a doubt better than that c... Bettison!

@COYBL25 may know the names of people like Paul Forester and Ted Greenwell and the respect they had - real bloody leaders who took no messing.

 

[tsubaki]

From personal experience, I've got a fair bit of respect for Hogan-Howes as he took no nonsense from the ACCs etc around him - he could be a real nightmare.

Furthermore, to a certain extent allowed the job to get done; certainly he was at the forefront of the new generation of officer ranks, but he had a good balance.

Maybe he changed when he was in the Met with all it's own political links and more sensitive issues. He was without a doubt better than that c... Bettison!

@COYBL25 may know the names of people like Paul Forester and Ted Greenwell and the respect they had - real bloody leaders!

Down here he seemed to be a creature of Boris and May, or at least was the one that was most associated with implementing what they (she) was demanding.

Bettison's career was inexplicable.

 

[peteblue]

Having read this reply I am more convinced than ever that you don't understand what efficiency or operational effectiveness means. Are you saying that the officer shouldn't have done what she did or that the extra officers shouldn't have been sent to help her?

As for the last sentence, given that your history on this forum is to make and generate excuses for the Tory Party its a bit rich for you to blame the people who have to try and deal with what that party has done for not being able to do it.

I give up....

 

[tsubaki]

I give up....

It is probably for the best.

 

[peteblue]

It is probably for the best.

Noted....

 

[abelard]

 

[ClausThomsen]

If you want to see just how bad it's failing do a Google image search of National Citizen Service and see just how hard it's focusing on reaching out to inner city youths in problem areas. Protip - it isn't.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Can't speak for other areas as I don't know much about it, but around here there are more facilities for kids than you can shake a stick at. BMX tracks, tennis courts, football pitches, free use of the gym and pool, and they're genuinely well used in the main, yet we still had a few dozen kids chase a young lad on their bikes down the end of our street the other night before stabbing him in front of a McD. There are also more churches in this part of town than anywhere else in Britain, but whether religious or community, it didn't seem to help that lad.

 

[peteblue]

Can't speak for other areas as I don't know much about it, but around here there are more facilities for kids than you can shake a stick at. BMX tracks, tennis courts, football pitches, free use of the gym and pool, and they're genuinely well used in the main, yet we still had a few dozen kids chase a young lad on their bikes down the end of our street the other night before stabbing him in front of a McD. There are also more churches in this part of town than anywhere else in Britain, but whether religious or community, it didn't seem to help that lad.

Just another four stabbed today......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Just another four stabbed today......

Sorry, I had a few things to do so didn't have much time.

 

[dholliday]

I wouldn't have stabbed him had there been a basketball court in my hood...yer honour

 

[Number_25]

I wouldn't have stabbed him had there been a basketball court in my hood...yer honour

I did some stupid stuff as a youngster out of pure boredom.

 

[dholliday]

I did some stupid stuff as a youngster out of pure boredom.

did you stab anyone? did you intentionally try to murder anyone?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I wouldn't have stabbed him had there been a basketball court in my hood...yer honour

The kids who chased a lad before stabbing him at the end of our street a few weeks back chased him past a free/open to the public basketball/football court and outdoor gym. It might be a valid excuse in some places, but I don't really think so in London.

 

[dholliday]

It might be a valid excuse in some places, but I don't really think so in London.

There's never an excuse for unprovoked stabbing.

I was a bored teenage tearaway during the mid-90's in one of the roughest cities in England at the time: I did drugs, smashed up things, got into fights...but even in that scene if anyone ever pulled out a knife it was gasps all round...no one ever did that unless they were full-on psycho, and not even the hard men at the time who took pride in scraps wanted to be known like that. Call it an unwritten code of honour, if you like.

Nowadays there's a lot more knife about... a lot more psychos. Something's changed in society and it's nowt to do with the youth having things to do or not. The concern about knives becoming acceptable culture is valid, and it's most definitely not David Cameron's fault as that pathetic Twitter tirade would have it.‎