Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

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Tubey said:
I beg to differ.

If you're resisting arrest and armed, expect a cop to take pre-emptive action.

By the way, reports say he threatened someone with a gun as well, not just selling CDs. But that's beside the point.
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Carrying a firearm is not against the law in the US*, although many crimes committed while carrying a firearm has increased penalties. But unless he was assaulting the police officers or otherwise threatening them I can't see why they shot him unless they are incompetent. It's not common, even in the US, to shoot someone during the arrest process.

*It is in some specific instances, as is how you carry a firearm
 
Minimeister said:
You allow people to carry guns, the police will kill more people due to the bigger risk to themselves. Doesn't help when they're racist and it's a black bloke either.
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You know the coppers involved are racist? Have you made yourself known to the people investigating this incident to give over your information?
 
Tubey said:
2 - Did he have a weapon? If so, this is the issue with guns in the USA. If the police felt they didn't have the situation under control because he was struggling, spotted a gun and were worried about him making a move for it, then it for me justifies the action. If I were the police and spot a gun on someone resisting arrest, then I'd be compelled to nullify the threat too.
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At 0:16 the word gun is clearly audible from one of the officers, and then instantly the officer in the foreground clearly reaches for his side arm.

The officer in the background makes a movement that suggests he himself may have reached for his side arm, but it isn't entirely clear.

Now I've played it over and over again and I am not able to distinguish whether the officer has said he has a gun, or they should reach for them.

That's for the investigating officers and subsequently any prosecutors to decide I suppose and it'll primarily be around whether he was armed.

Yet if he was in fact armed, resiting arrest and gestured towards a weapon (be it an open carry state or not) then will that not partly mitigate?

That's not excusing the officers yet, but it may be as simplistic as some are suggesting. If he wasn't armed then obviously ignore all the above.
 
Tubey said:
I beg to differ.

If you're resisting arrest and armed, expect a cop to take pre-emptive action.

By the way, reports say he threatened someone with a gun as well, not just selling CDs. But that's beside the point.
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Maybe they asked for an OMD CD.

Self defence that.
 
Police in the States need to go back and watch re-runs of Hawaii five O. No need to go straight for their gun.

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5 times more likely to end up in prison in the U.S than here. A very violent, crime-ridden country, where the police are armed for a reason.
 
SerenityNigh said:
Carrying a firearm is not against the law in the US*, although many crimes committed while carrying a firearm has increased penalties. But unless he was assaulting the police officers or otherwise threatening them I can't see why they shot him unless they are incompetent. It's not common, even in the US, to shoot someone during the arrest process.

*It is in some specific instances, as is how you carry a firearm
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I didn't say it was. I said resisting arrest while in possession of one is asking for trouble isn't it?
 
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