Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[SerenityNigh]

far be it from me to judge others but I just can't fathom why somebody would want to own a lethal weapon in the first place.

Fair play to you for discrediting yourself from judgment on this. If you can't understand or comprehend both sides to an issue, you'd make a terrible judge.

 

[Elong]

far be it from me to judge others but I just can't fathom why somebody would want to own a lethal weapon in the first place.

That's because you already are a massive weapon


xxx

 

[GBH73]

I will never understand the obsession with guns in the USA. And this argument about 'punishing responsible gun owners' by tightening regulation etc...just what do responsible gun owners use high powered assault weapons or even handguns for? Why do you need them? And to argue that the 2nd amendment is sacrosanct would be pure comedy if it wasn't so serious, of course you can amend an amendment, it's already been amended!

 

[Huyton Layne]

My favourite thing that always pops up is "Hey let's not try to fix the assault weapons issue because other things kill people too"

which equates to "Hey let's not cure AIDS because cancer kills people more"

Why not try to reduce as many deaths from different things as possible?

 

[chewee]

Because it's America and of a similar culture for some reason the reputational damage is minimal, millions of British tourists barely bat an eyelid when booking holidays there.

 

[TheFinnFan]

 

[The Esk]

I haven't bothered to read through the thread because, as you know, we've all been through this same song and dance before:

1) Shooting in America
2) Cue moral outrage on GOT
3) Attempt to discuss the debate in some sort of rational sense
4) Descending in shouting match and name calling
5) Thread closed

I imagine this one will end the same.

Best of luck.

What's your view on this latest tragedy Bill? And how does it stand in the wider context of gun ownership?

 

[joey_macmo]

The differences is proportional deaths are down

Tthese occourances are extremely rare and theres no reason to punish the vast majority of gun owners cause of the actions of a few nutters

50 completely innocent people have just died in one incident and many more just this week. If you genuinely think that is "no reason" then I'm genuinely shocked

 

[McBain]

I haven't bothered to read through the thread because, as you know, we've all been through this same song and dance before:

1) Shooting in America
2) Cue moral outrage on GOT
3) Attempt to discuss the debate in some sort of rational sense
4) Descending in shouting match and name calling
5) Thread closed

I imagine this one will end the same.

Best of luck.

6. Whoop De Doo?

 

[McBain]

Whoop De Doo 2

 

[DownOnTheUpside]

50 completely innocent people have just died in one incident and many more just this week. If you genuinely think that is "no reason" then I'm genuinely shocked

50 people in a population of 312, 000, 000

 

[Brennan]

I haven't bothered to read through the thread because, as you know, we've all been through this same song and dance before:

1) Shooting in America
2) Cue moral outrage on GOT
3) Attempt to discuss the debate in some sort of rational sense
4) Descending in shouting match and name calling
5) Thread closed

I imagine this one will end the same.

Best of luck.

Thread has been open since February actually. Couldn't be anything to do with you no longer being a mod of course.

 

[jhramone]

Now I'm by no means an expert, but I have spent my academic career studying psychology of crime, so I feel I have a better than average view of the reality of crime. The underlying problem for us in the United States is not guns. That's a symptom of a problem, but to claim that homicides will go down to levels in Britain or Australia if they'd only get banned just isn't true. The underlying problem in the United States is a culture that reveres criminals. This might seem like a strange statement to make, given that the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, but it's the truth. The fact is, even non-firearm homicides are higher in the US than most other western countries. We rank if not #1 at least top ten in virtually every single criminal act someone can commit. On average, a homicide occurs every 30 min, a forced rape every 10, and a robbery/burglary every minute. Our media is dominated by criminals. The most popular modern shows we have broadcast have criminal protagonists (Breaking Bad, Sopranos, etc). Even our police procedurals star detectives who "play by their own rules" or "take the law into their own hands". We have cultural icons like Jesse James (one of the more prolific mass killers in US history). Hell, recently in my hometown a kid was arrested after breaking into more than thirty different houses, most of them more than once. There was zero outrage, most people claimed he was just a boy being a boy. We've seen recently that more and more mass shooters in the US have been experimenting with explosives. Even the Orlando shooter is alleged to have had them. If you treat the symptom of guns, the disease will continue through explosives, or arson, or any of a number of other ways to incapacitate people (9/11 was through the use of airplanes after all, and no one seems to remember the Oklahoma City bombing). The true cure for the disease of violence in the US is to work hard to eliminate the culture we've built up saying that crime is acceptable. In New York, when things like littering and hopping turnstiles for subways were cracked down upon, homicides decreased. We need to take the broken window philosophy to the entire country in order to truly decrease our violent crime. Just discussing guns and claiming that's good enough isnt coming close to the actual problems involved.

 

[TX Bill]

Lol at the 'cue moral outrage' as if it's something ridiculous.

It's not like 50 people were needlessly murdered or anything.

Haha, cause murder wasn't around until guns were invented.

Oh...and let's have a mass banning of guns in the USA...oh, hang on:

http://opinion.injo.com/2015/12/251122-kurt-liberal-gun-grab-why-fail/

 

[TX Bill]

Main difference here in that you can't buy bombs at Walmart, and it's even difficult to get the ingredients to cook meth at most stores

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