Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[mezzrow]

I haven't bothered to read through the thread because, as you know, we've all been through this same song and dance before:

1) Shooting in America
2) Cue moral outrage on GOT
3) Attempt to discuss the debate in some sort of rational sense
4) Descending in shouting match and name calling
5) Thread closed

I imagine this one will end the same.

Best of luck.

That's about it, Bill. Glad to hear from you, as always.

It's only the killer's fault when he uses a bomb. If it's a gun, it's our fault because guns. Same old pattern. Note the difference in the reaction to Boston as opposed to San Berdoo and Orlando.
I think the killers are learning how to play the reaction, and we'll see more guns and fewer bombs in the future. They prefer to keep us divided rather than united, and this is just too easy.

 

[magicjuan]

Just curious.

Why would we start "Another shooting in America thread?" Chicago has daily instances of shootings and one of the highest murder rates in America. You'd be better off just having a stickied "Shootings in America" thread so that you can come in daily and post the horror of it all.

Sensible no?

Possibly because it appears most Americans are matter of fact about the daily occurences and show emotion at the media frenzy of larger shootings.

As a genuine question what percentage of gun deaths are there in relation to deaths from knives, assaults with 'weapons', beatings etc?

 

[LinekersLegs]

The population has risenmuch quicker

.001% Is not cause for the hysteria seen, people are pushing agendas

Just as a matter of context the number of people killed in car accidents in 2013 was 35,369.

@magicjuan
Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms - 11,208
Assault (homicide) by other or unspecified means - 4,4913

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

 

[mezzrow]

Possibly because it appears most Americans are matter of fact about the daily occurences and show emotion at the media frenzy of larger shootings.

As a genuine question what percentage of gun deaths are there in relation to deaths from knives, assaults with 'weapons', beatings etc?

https://www.quandl.com/data/FBI/WEAPONS11-US-Murders-by-Weapon-Type

Here's your data, mj.

The U.S. Department of Justice reports that approximately 60% of all adult firearm deaths are by suicide, 61% more than deaths by homicide.[22] In the U.S., firearms remain the most common method of suicide, accounting for 51% of all suicides committed in 2006.

I know you didn't ask that question, but I'll add that info, which drives much of the aversion to guns, imho. Most people who have explained to me personally why they don't want a gun on the premises for any reason give the fear of using it to commit suicide and the fear they would use it to kill a loved one in error as their top reason. This is anecdotal on my part, but explains a lot, and I can understand why they would feel that way. They have no interest in defending themselves with lethal force. If they lived in a country where they could never buy a gun to kill or defend themselves, they would feel even safer. Until and unless they see the gun in the hand of the attacker. That's a chance they are willing to take.

Others are not.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Didn't General Custer slaughter more than 50 natives by the way?

 

[SerenityNigh]

Just curious.

Why would we start "Another shooting in America thread?" Chicago has daily instances of shootings and one of the highest murder rates in America. You'd be better off just having a stickied "Shootings in America" thread so that you can come in daily and post the horror of it all.

Sensible no?

Agreed/I see this and wonder which one we're currently discussing.

I haven't bothered to read through the thread because, as you know, we've all been through this same song and dance before:

1) Shooting in America
2) Cue moral outrage on GOT
3) Attempt to discuss the debate in some sort of rational sense
4) Descending in shouting match and name calling
5) Thread closed

I imagine this one will end the same.

Best of luck.

Currently stage 3, but we can progress quickly to #4 if you'd like, you gun-toting nugget. JK, Tex

 

[Seanjd]

The population has risenmuch quicker

.001% Is not cause for the hysteria seen, people are pushing agendas

The population of the U.K., for example, has risen too. However, gun death rates have fallen from 247 (1996) to 140 (2014), with some fluctuation in between. What's the difference?

 

[SerenityNigh]

It is clear that the writer of those shoddy statistics has no baring with reality. They give two different statistics on chance of being killed in a shooting, one if you 'hang around the hood' and one if you don't. Absolutely ridiculous. And none sense. Go and find the statistics of deaths by firearm by country per 100,000 population. That ratio is clear to see that America does have a gun problem.

Not to mention shootings by cops, which go largely unreported

 

[SerenityNigh]

That's about it, Bill. Glad to hear from you, as always.

It's only the killer's fault when he uses a bomb. If it's a gun, it's our fault because guns. Same old pattern. Note the difference in the reaction to Boston as opposed to San Berdoo and Orlando.
I think the killers are learning how to play the reaction, and we'll see more guns and fewer bombs in the future. They prefer to keep us divided rather than united, and this is just too easy.

Main difference here in that you can't buy bombs at Walmart, and it's even difficult to get the ingredients to cook meth at most stores

 

[Deleted member 28206]

I haven't bothered to read through the thread because, as you know, we've all been through this same song and dance before:

1) Shooting in America
2) Cue moral outrage on GOT
3) Attempt to discuss the debate in some sort of rational sense
4) Descending in shouting match and name calling
5) Thread closed

I imagine this one will end the same.

Best of luck.

It won't.

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

Not to mention shootings by cops, which go largely unreported

Watched a programme on racial hatred in the US last night, and despite events like the church shooting in Charleston, the black community still viewed the police as their biggest threat.

There was footage of one incident in which a mother has called the police to help escort her son to a mental facility and they end up shooting him dead on his doorstep. For having a screwdriver. In another one an officer shoots a fleeing man in the back and then plants his tazer next to the body to try and make it look like self defence.

When even the people charged with protecting the community are gunning people down, there's little hope for the US to make much progress on the firearms issue.

 

[joey_macmo]

The population has risenmuch quicker

.001% Is not cause for the hysteria seen, people are pushing agendas

The only agenda I can see is the outrage at innocent people needlessly dying

 

[joey_macmo]

That's about it, Bill. Glad to hear from you, as always.

It's only the killer's fault when he uses a bomb. If it's a gun, it's our fault because guns. Same old pattern. Note the difference in the reaction to Boston as opposed to San Berdoo and Orlando.
I think the killers are learning how to play the reaction, and we'll see more guns and fewer bombs in the future. They prefer to keep us divided rather than united, and this is just too easy.

I'd imagine You'll see more guns rather than bombs because you can buy them when you're popping in for milk & eggs.

It's about ease of access not the reaction, you're giving the shooter far too much credit.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[magicjuan]

https://www.quandl.com/data/FBI/WEAPONS11-US-Murders-by-Weapon-Type

Here's your data, mj.

The U.S. Department of Justice reports that approximately 60% of all adult firearm deaths are by suicide, 61% more than deaths by homicide.[22] In the U.S., firearms remain the most common method of suicide, accounting for 51% of all suicides committed in 2006.

I know you didn't ask that question, but I'll add that info, which drives much of the aversion to guns, imho. Most people who have explained to me personally why they don't want a gun on the premises for any reason give the fear of using it to commit suicide and the fear they would use it to kill a loved one in error as their top reason. This is anecdotal on my part, but explains a lot, and I can understand why they would feel that way. They have no interest in defending themselves with lethal force. If they lived in a country where they could never buy a gun to kill or defend themselves, they would feel even safer. Until and unless they see the gun in the hand of the attacker. That's a chance they are willing to take.

Others are not.

Appreciated. And to @LinekersLegs too