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[TN Toffee]

There really should be, including for Baldwin. I thought rule 1 of firearms training everywhere was “do not point the gun at someone unless you intend to shoot them dead”?

It may well be. However, it’s surely somewhat different on Hollywood movie sets, as violating that rule oftentimes has to come with the territory. At bare minimum, they need to take a long look at the safety protocols on sets and change them accordingly. The thought that there would EVER be any live ammo on set is mind-boggling.

 

[The binman chronicles]

There really should be, including for Baldwin. I thought rule 1 of firearms training everywhere was “do not point the gun at someone unless you intend to shoot them dead”?

I might be wrong but I can only guess they setting up for a shot directly toward the camera. Which happened to also be them.

 

[N.S.N.O.]

There really should be, including for Baldwin. I thought rule 1 of firearms training everywhere was “do not point the gun at someone unless you intend to shoot them dead”?

Yep, like its not like this was his first movie using a fire arm....if he wasn't warned be the Prop master/director or assistant director this time, he would have been on previous jobs...everyone involved here seems to have been grossly negligent of safety procedures

 

[Lapeno77]

'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting

At least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to production managers about gun safety on the set.

www.latimes.com

Sounds like there have been problems beforehand.

 

[WA Toffee]

There really should be, including for Baldwin. I thought rule 1 of firearms training everywhere was “do not point the gun at someone unless you intend to shoot them dead”?

It's a movie set. Where people pretend to shoot each other. The question should be - why did someone put a real bullet in a gun that is being used on a movie set?

 

[riddick]

It's a movie set. Where people pretend to shoot each other. The question should be - why did someone put a real bullet in a gun that is being used on a movie set?

Even better, why are there live rounds at all on a MOVIE set??

 

[PhilM]

Even better, why are there live rounds at all on a MOVIE set??

Was it a live round or a blank? The latter can still kill.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Was it a live round or a blank? The latter can still kill.

Haven‘t seen any clarification on that, just that the assistant director handed it to Baldwin as a “cold” gun.

The projectile seems to have gone through the shoulder of Ms Hutchins and into Joel Souza - would a blank/wadding be able to do that?

 

[Huyton Layne]

Haven‘t seen any clarification on that, just that the assistant director handed it to Baldwin as a “cold” gun.

The projectile seems to have gone through the shoulder of Ms Hutchins and into Joel Souza - would a blank/wadding be able to do that?

Just stole this from Quora

Greg Taggart
Firearms trainer/educator, multiple certifications, research on firearms policy


A blank can kill you.

A blank is a cartridge loaded with powder but without a bullet. It is intended to make noise or simulate real firing, but without actually propelling a bullet. To allow pressure to build up, the blank is usually sealed with a paper wad sealed with glue.

When a blank is fired, a blast of super heated high pressure gas is discharged from the case and blasted down the barrel. Within 4–6 feet or so of the muzzle the blast effect of the superheated high pressure gas as well as unburned particles of powder can cause significant injury By literally blasting a hole in an unprotected surface. At Ft Benning it was fairly common to blow the head off snakes by firing a rifle blank at a distance of 6 feet or so, after the rifle blank adapter had been removed. Beyond the issue of hot gas is the glue plug- although light in weight as well as fairly frangible it is blown out of the barrel at near bullet velocities and will penetrate a soft target to a depth of several inches at Close range.

As for lethality? Depends on cartridge type, distance and where the victim is hit just like with real bullets.

In 1984, on the set of the TV show Cover Up, actor John Erik Hexum, while playing with a blank loaded revolver between takes, put the muzzle to his head and pulled the trigger. The blank shot caused massive brain injury and he died shortly after.

You should treat a blank loaded weapon as you would any other.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Just stole this from Quora

Greg Taggart
Firearms trainer/educator, multiple certifications, research on firearms policy


A blank can kill you.

A blank is a cartridge loaded with powder but without a bullet. It is intended to make noise or simulate real firing, but without actually propelling a bullet. To allow pressure to build up, the blank is usually sealed with a paper wad sealed with glue.

When a blank is fired, a blast of super heated high pressure gas is discharged from the case and blasted down the barrel. Within 4–6 feet or so of the muzzle the blast effect of the superheated high pressure gas as well as unburned particles of powder can cause significant injury By literally blasting a hole in an unprotected surface. At Ft Benning it was fairly common to blow the head off snakes by firing a rifle blank at a distance of 6 feet or so, after the rifle blank adapter had been removed. Beyond the issue of hot gas is the glue plug- although light in weight as well as fairly frangible it is blown out of the barrel at near bullet velocities and will penetrate a soft target to a depth of several inches at Close range.

As for lethality? Depends on cartridge type, distance and where the victim is hit just like with real bullets.

In 1984, on the set of the TV show Cover Up, actor John Erik Hexum, while playing with a blank loaded revolver between takes, put the muzzle to his head and pulled the trigger. The blank shot caused massive brain injury and he died shortly after.

You should treat a blank loaded weapon as you would any other.

Have to say I wouldn’t feel comfortable someone pointing a gun at me even if they assured me it was unloaded or ”only a blank”.

Know it is TMZ and we’ll need to wait for police confirmation but this doesn’t sound an implausible way for the gun to be loaded with a proper bullet.

Alec Baldwin seen consoling family of slain cinematographer as set problems mount

SANTA FE, N.M. : Alec Baldwin has been seen consoling the family of the cinematographer he accidentally killed on the set of his movie, as more reports emerged on Sunday of troubling practices during the filming of the Western "Rust". A distraught Baldwin was photographed outside a hotel in...

www.channelnewsasia.com

In one of the most troubling, celebrity website TMZ.com, citing unidentified sources connected to the production, said the gun handed to Baldwin had previously been used by crew members for target practice off-set, using real bullets. Reuters could not verify the report and police in Santa Fe did not respond to inquiries on Sunday.

Among the concerns reported among crew members were other incidents involving prop guns. According to the Los Angeles Times, more than a week ago Baldwin's stunt double accidentally fired two rounds from a prop firearm after being told it was "cold", an industry term meaning a weapon is not loaded with ammunition, including blanks.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[PhilM]

According to the Sherrif’s Office, it was a live round. With that the case, I’d be very supervised if there isn’t some form of charges.

 

[LinekersLegs]

According to the Sherrif’s Office, it was a live round. With that the case, I’d be very supervised if there isn’t some form of charges.

Whole set looks like an accident waiting to happen.

Rust shooting: officials say single bullet likely caused injury and death after Alec Baldwin fired gun on set

Officers says Alec Baldwin is ‘active part’ of investigation, but said they haven’t yet determined if they’ll bring charges against the actor or any others

www.theguardian.com

Possible additional live rounds, including the bullet the authorities believe killed Hutchins, will be submitted to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Virginia, confirmed the sheriff. He refused to speculate, when questioned by reporters, about what happened to result in a single bullet evidently killing one and then injuring another person. Mendoza said more interviews still needed to be conducted with people who had been on the Rust set, including a possible additional interviews with Baldwin, whom the sheriff described as being “cooperative”. The actor was also a producer on the movie, where filming was shut down and has not resumed since Hutchins’ death last Thursday afternoon.

Mendoza also confirmed that his office is investigating reports of informal incidents of target practice having taken place on or near the set prior to the incident, and rumors of crew members drinking the night before. “I think there was some complacency on this set,” said Mendoza.

 

[summerisle]

Massive inquiry regarding the film shooting and no doubt regulations will be tightened. Meanwhile nothing happens when multiple shootings occur elsewhere and 'thoughts and prayers' are all that happens - what a strange country.

 

[PhilM]

Inside the controversial US gunshot-detection firm

BBC News has been given access to ShotSpotter, the controversial US technology company that detects gunshots.

www.bbc.co.uk