Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

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Wizard said:
From what I have read and seen (there are a least 2 other videos other than the bodycam), it seems like Adam Toledo was with an older guy (21) who has then passed him the gun and told him to run. No doubt thinking a 13 year old with a gun is going to be treated better than a 21 year old.
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@Tubey looks like Adam Toledo had a lapse in personal responsibility by taking the gun and running, eh? Hopefully people don't start kicking up about this dead 13 year old and distinguish this incident properly from the other many examples of state-sponsored murder
 
Prevenger17 said:
@Tubey looks like Adam Toledo had a lapse in personal responsibility by taking the gun and running, eh? Hopefully people don't start kicking up about this dead 13 year old and distinguish this incident properly from the other many examples of state-sponsored murder
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One, the officer had no way of knowing he was 13 and had been given the gun. That's hindsight.

Two, all the officer knew was that this kid had a gun in his hands, turned away, made a motion then spun around.

He was right to shoot. He felt, justifiably, his life was in danger. This is a matter of milliseconds to make the call.

You'll think I'm a monster for saying that. So be it. I'm simply following the chain of events and seeing if the outcome was logical. It was.

I don't blame the officer for that outcome. What I blame is the circumstance that led to a 13 year old being given a gun and running. And that is long term socio-economic inequity and gun proliferation.
 
Tubey said:
One, the officer had no way of knowing he was 13 and had been given the gun. That's hindsight.

Two, all the officer knew was that this kid had a gun in his hands, turned away, made a motion then spun around.

He was right to shoot. He felt, justifiably, his life was in danger. This is a matter of milliseconds to make the call.

You'll think I'm a monster for saying that. So be it. I'm simply following the chain of events and seeing if the outcome was logical. It was.

I don't blame the officer for that outcome. What I blame is the circumstance that led to a 13 year old being given a gun and running. And that is long term socio-economic inequity and gun
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And the 13 year old boy failed in his personal responsibility in a split second, so it is logical that he is dead now and hopefully nobody kicks up a fuss about it
 
Tubey said:
One, the officer had no way of knowing he was 13 and had been given the gun. That's hindsight.

Two, all the officer knew was that this kid had a gun in his hands, turned away, made a motion then spun around.

He was right to shoot. He felt, justifiably, his life was in danger. This is a matter of milliseconds to make the call.

You'll think I'm a monster for saying that. So be it. I'm simply following the chain of events and seeing if the outcome was logical. It was.

I don't blame the officer for that outcome. What I blame is the circumstance that led to a 13 year old being given a gun and running. And that is long term socio-economic inequity and gun proliferation.
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Jesus wept mate what the hell is wrong with you?
 
Tin-Tin said:
Why scream put your hands up, then shoot as soon as he does? You cant say he was raising his hand so you feared for your safety after telling him to do it. So much for the 'just comply' takes.
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Because he spins around after making a movement at waist level.

We're talking milliseconds. The police officer doesn't have the benefit of freeze frames and slow motion.
 
Tin-Tin said:
Why scream put your hands up, then shoot as soon as he does? You cant say he was raising his hand so you feared for your safety after telling him to do it. So much for the 'just comply' takes.
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In this individual case I genuinely don’t think it is as simple as the other “just comply” situations which I agree are bullsh...

The cop is sprinting down a dark alley at 2.40am, in Chicago, chasing a suspect who has reportedly been involved in a shooting and has a gun. The cop’s instructions to him are to stop, drop it and show your hands. Now the kid does actually do that, but he stops, very close to a fence, which he throws the gun behind and turns as he puts his hands up, all in about a second. As I said in a previous post, had the cop waited a second longer he would have seen there was no threat. But he clearly didn’t feel he had that second to take a chance and sadly the kid is dead.

Having watched the videos, watched lots of former law enforcement people talking about it and read about it, this seems like a horrible incident that is sadly understandable given the way the cop was trained to deal with the situation and with the way the law is. And given the prevalence of guns in the US and specifically where it happened.

I genuinely don’t this is the same as the multitude of times we see cops in the US fatally overreacting when there isn’t actually an immediate threat there but one they have invented due to their bias or hatred.
 
Point is they told him to put his hands up! Then shot him a second after he complied.

Then lied abput it and covered it up by saying he had a gun in his hands when he was shot. They have now admitted they lied because the video was released.

How are people still defending this. If they knew they were im the right, why lie and cover it up? Because they shot an unarmed child.

The police have zero regard for the lives of black men. Im not saying they actively want to murder them but they are not bothered if one is murdered.

The more stories you hear and footage you see of the police in America, you realise that there are a large part of them that are disgusting.
 
Tin-Tin said:
Point is they told him to put his hands up! Then shot him a second after he complied.

Then lied abput it and covered it up by saying he had a gun in his hands when he was shot. They have now admitted they lied because the video was released.

How are people still defending this. If they knew they were im the right, why lie and cover it up? Because they shot an unarmed child.

The police have zero regard for the lives of black men. Im not saying they actively want to murder them but they are not bothered if one is murdered.

The more stories you hear and footage you see of the police in America, you realise that there are a large part of them that are disgusting.
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FWIW that (shooting someone who was following instructions because the instruction made him seem more of a threat) is by no means unknown. That white bloke in (iirc) Phoenix last year for example.

I am not sure it by itself evidences zero regard for anyone; it’s more likely the well known problem with the human mind of it coming to a conclusion based on incomplete information and then trying to tune out everything that contradicts it. There probably is a link to race that affects that, but it’s probably more subconscious than conscious, old-style racist belief.
 
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