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I remember some American responding to that point on youtube with 'well that didn't stop the vietcong did it'... as if he's imagining himself and his redneck buddies holed up in a Wendys launching surprise ambushes lol
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I remember some American responding to that point on youtube with 'well that didn't stop the vietcong did it'... as if he's imagining himself and his redneck buddies holed up in a Wendys launching surprise ambushes lol
TN Toffee
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While I don’t think I’ve ever actually met a person willing to put it this bluntly, their position is essentially that those kids at Sandy Hook, Columbine, and a dozen other schools were necessary sacrifices at the altar of freedom. Just the cost of doing business if they’re going to own whatever guns they want.
But BlueTx is right, society at large isn’t at all in favor of unfettered access to firearms. Just a certain, yet extremely powerful few.
TheBigIguana
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Too many people are fine with it for whatever reason though. If enough people actually cared it would change I think. Or maybe I'm just hoping that is the case.
The public support for increased gun safety regulation in this country is roughly the same today as it was in the aftermath of Sandy Hook (nearly 60% in favor). Not quite as "high" as public support for legalization of Marijuana (nearly 70%) but, still, a rather large percentage.
In contrast, the 2017 tax cut legislation was supported by only 40% of the public. It passed.
The people's level of care/concern isn't the problem, as @TN Toffee mentions.
TheBigIguana
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Support for what exactly? Because background checks is really barely a start. It takes so much more.
Background checks, national "red flag" laws, license requirements prior to purchase of firearms, banning high-capacity magazines, and a ban on sale of semi-automatic weapons all are supported by a large majority.
Those are specific to weapons. An even higher percentage of people want the Federal government to spend more money addressing mental health issues.
Toffe3m4n
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The gun debate in America continues to astound me.
My girlfriend is a fan of true crime and we watched a show the other day where they interviewed a dude (upstanding citizen, gives back to the community etc. etc.) who'd 'lawfully' sold a rifle to someone he couldn't even properly identify and days later that guy committed a horrific murder with said rifle.
It just absolutely blows my mind how a transaction like this can even be allowed to take place. Turns out that the dude who bought the gun used a stolen ID so any background checks that could've taken place would've come up clean anyway. The guy who sold the gun was an accountant and apparently the transaction took place out in the open in a parking lot. He didn't even seem especially broken up about it during the interview fully in the knowledge that an innocent dude was killed whilst he was sleeping in his own bed.
Imagine something like that happening in Europe. Scares me to death that.
My girlfriend is a fan of true crime and we watched a show the other day where they interviewed a dude (upstanding citizen, gives back to the community etc. etc.) who'd 'lawfully' sold a rifle to someone he couldn't even properly identify and days later that guy committed a horrific murder with said rifle.
It just absolutely blows my mind how a transaction like this can even be allowed to take place. Turns out that the dude who bought the gun used a stolen ID so any background checks that could've taken place would've come up clean anyway. The guy who sold the gun was an accountant and apparently the transaction took place out in the open in a parking lot. He didn't even seem especially broken up about it during the interview fully in the knowledge that an innocent dude was killed whilst he was sleeping in his own bed.
Imagine something like that happening in Europe. Scares me to death that.
PaddyJames
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The whole amendments list needs a modern day/reality check upgrade. For the supposed biggest super power in the world, the US is a complete mess of a place. I'm not saying other places aren't bad but they should have it better over there.
tsubaki
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This is what I was trying to attack earlier- they’re all sensible things to do, but they are also the same sort of incrementalism that’s been tried for decades already, and will no doubt again fail in delivering meaningful change (as well as being defeated legally in enough of the country to make it not work for all). The only meaningful things it will do is eat up time and fundraise.
To beat this, the reform side needs to frame a new argument that is going to be able to stand up constitutionally. Sort that out, establish a “safe” RKBA (every adult being able to be in the militia, able to own weapons with common ammunition, regular training etc) and you can then start on the huge issue that is getting all the rest of these guns out of circulation.
DuuuncanHadaPigeon
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Yes as that comparison holds up...
I look forward to seeing guerilla insurgents in Georgia hiding out in caves in the middle of the wilderness somehow.
DuuuncanHadaPigeon
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It unironically does hold up.
you cannot control an entire country and its people with tanks, jets and drones or any of these things you think trumps citizen ownerships of firearms.
A fighter jet/drone cannot stand on street corners and enforce 'no assembly' edicts. A fighter jet cannot kick down your door at 3AM to search your house for contraband.
None of these things can maintain the needed police state to completely subjugate and enslave the people of a nation. Those weapons are for destroying large areas and many people at once or fighting other state militaries. The government does not want to kill all its people and blow up its own infrastructure as these are the very things they need if they want power.
Police are needed to maintain a police state, boots on the ground and no matter how many police you have they will always be outnumbered by the people which is why in a police state it is vital the police have automatic weapons while the people have [Poor language removed] all.
But when every random pedestrian could have a glock in their waistband or every home owner an AR-15 all of that goes out of the window as they now face the reality of bullets coming back at them.
Look at every insurgency that the US military has tried to destroy, they're all still kicking about with nothing but AK-47s, pick up trucks and IEDs because these big military monsters are useless at dealing with them.
A population of people triggered mightily by mask mandates is suddenly going to become survivalists akin to the Viet Cong or Afghani militants? I don't think so.
But it's really all nonsense. The goofball in a pickup truck with a sticker that boasts "Come And Take It" is virtually certain, in his heart of hearts, no such thing is going to happen.
DuuuncanHadaPigeon
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and i'm sure you would have said the same thing about those viet cong and 'afghani militants' too
Why are you so sure?
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