Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[LinekersLegs]

Using firearms in domestic violence is probably the easiest or efficient way to murder, but let's not pretend that guns are the reason why domestic homicides are happening. If someone wanted to murder, there are at least 10 other viable methods to do so.

I agree it isn’t the reason that domestic homicides are happening but “easiest or efficient way to murder” does matter - especially if you are the one being targeted.

The flower girl at our wedding would most likely not have been alive if her father had a gun - when drunk he tried to strangle her mother, my friend, when she was 6 months pregnant and although she passed out the whole struggle took enough time that some sanity managed to return so he didn’t complete the murder of them both.

It is similar with suicide - guns make very permanent what may have been a very transient thought.

 

[Huyton Layne]

 

[verreauxi]

The ole Chicago/gun control chestnut has arisen. You can’t script this better than it’s already going.

 

[carolinablue232]

The ole Chicago/gun control chestnut has arisen. You can’t script this better than it’s already going.

For me one of the problems is that gun control is really only talked about when something like this happens. The high high majority of gun violence is done with a hand guns, something like 96% to 4% depending where you look. Yet people fixate on banning assault rifles because they’re likely to be highlighted in the mass situations. No one needs an assault rifle, but banning them doesn’t fix the bigger issue.

I’m not all anti gun. I have family members that love to hunt. The deer they bring back is darn delicious, but guns and gun control is a major problem, period. We need to focus on all issues and not just focus on it when something unexpected happens and then drop it until the next time.

 

[The binman chronicles]

It's not about being OK with the deaths but rather it's about accepting the consequences of its mere existence for the greater good. You can't give me a single entity on this planet, that doesn't come with some form of consequence.

Banning Assault Rifles doesn't make much sense, when it comes to gun control. Assault rifles literally only make up 2-3% of the total gun-related deaths in America. Plus, there's not much evidence that "gun control" works. Illinois/Chicago has very strict gun-control yet Chicago has one of the highest rates of gun homicides.

The examples you have given regarding cars and drugs have controls that are constantly monitored and legislated on. If there were spikes in deaths then something would be put in place to minimise/prevent them. It should be no different with guns, an outdated law should not override common sense.

Using firearms in domestic violence is probably the easiest or efficient way to murder, but let's not pretend that guns are the reason why domestic homicides are happening. If someone wanted to murder, there are at least 10 other viable methods to do so.

This is a truly awful take on it. It's pretty evident that if you removed guns from the equation the numbers would drop. If one of these homicides happened in your family or close friends, I wonder if you would still have the same c'est la vie attitude.

 

[TheBigIguana]

We had a coup less than 3 months ago that we did absolutely nothing about and I still don't think anything makes me more disheartened about the future of the United States than the reaction to these all too frequent events. In retrospect Sandy Hook was the end. The larger society decided that elementary kids being murdered in class was an acceptable reality and nothing really can happen that will ever be worse than that and cause a shift in what we see as right for a society.

 

[toffee82]

It's not about being OK with the deaths but rather it's about accepting the consequences of its mere existence for the greater good. You can't give me a single entity on this planet, that doesn't come with some form of consequence.

Banning Assault Rifles doesn't make much sense, when it comes to gun control. Assault rifles literally only make up 2-3% of the total gun-related deaths in America. Plus, there's not much evidence that "gun control" works. Illinois/Chicago has very strict gun-control yet Chicago has one of the highest rates of gun homicides.

The greater good of cars is that millions of people get to school, work etc.

I am failing to see what the greater good of owning a gun is.

 

[Prevenger17]

Using firearms in domestic violence is probably the easiest or efficient way to murder, but let's not pretend that guns are the reason why domestic homicides are happening. If someone wanted to murder, there are at least 10 other viable methods to do so.

Smh

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Without actually mentioning that majority of those deaths are gang related, that's a bad argument to bring to the table. 20,000 people die from motor vehicle crashes each year. More than 3,000 people die from Aspirin. Over 45,000 die each year from opioids. The list goes on. What life teaches us, is that everything comes with a cost.

Instead of debating on repealing the 2nd amendment, we need to actually ensure that the firearms are actually ending up reaching the hands of good citizens, rather than the mentally deranged or criminals.

Of those 40,000 deaths via firearm in the US, most are intentional, Americans are killing Americans with guns cos they have....guns.

There are 411 billion car trips per year in the US, of those there are 20,000 accidental deaths......


Why are you even bothering with your stupid theory?

 

[BlueTX]

We had a coup less than 3 months ago that we did absolutely nothing about and I still don't think anything makes me more disheartened about the future of the United States than the reaction to these all too frequent events. In retrospect Sandy Hook was the end. The larger society decided that elementary kids being murdered in class was an acceptable reality and nothing really can happen that will ever be worse than that and cause a shift in what we see as right for a society.

If the question were up to "the larger society" then there would be stricter gun controls in the United States. The larger society, however, does not get to decide these matters.

 

[verreauxi]

 

[RAFUH]

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RTC is ridiculous and unwarranted. A segment of the GOP is trying to revert the US back to the "wild west" days.

 

[emir]

The examples you have given regarding cars and drugs have controls that are constantly monitored and legislated on. If there were spikes in deaths then something would be put in place to minimise/prevent them. It should be no different with guns, an outdated law should not override common sense.



This is a truly awful take on it. It's pretty evident that if you removed guns from the equation the numbers would drop. If one of these homicides happened in your family or close friends, I wonder if you would still have the same c'est la vie attitude.

I fully support a tougher background check regime for guns, where we are able to ensure that guns actually end up going to the hands of law-abiding citizens rather than the mentally deranged or criminals. So yeah, I'm with you on this and there should be more of a stringent monitoring system.

But your second point? You have no real evidence that removing guns would somehow magically lower homicide rates. It's all huge speculation without any evidence. Guns are not the reason why murders are happening. Murders are happening because of the thought process of these criminal minds.

 

[emir]

If you are accepting of 40,000 firearm deaths, then what's your hesitation to say you are OK with the number? It's for the greater good, right?

I've acknowledged life comes with consequences.

To blame those 40,000 deaths on firearms is a bit asinine, don't you think? 61% of those deaths are actually suicides. So why don't we collectively approach this figure in a systematic way? If more people are committing suicide, what is going wrong with our mental health care? Blaming guns for this is such a cop-out and we will never be able to get to the root of the issue. If someone wanted to commit suicide, they'll just turn the ignition of their car on in an enclosed garage.

And no, I'm not accepting of any deaths at all. But as a society, we must understand that everything comes with a cost.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I fully support a tougher background check regime for guns, where we are able to ensure that guns actually end up going to the hands of law-abiding citizens rather than the mentally deranged or criminals. So yeah, I'm with you on this and there should be more of a stringent monitoring system.

But your second point? You have no real evidence that removing guns would somehow magically lower homicide rates. It's all huge speculation without any evidence. Guns are not the reason why murders are happening. Murders are happening because of the thought process of these criminal minds.

Funny how there seems to be a disproportionate amount of murderers in America then. A gun is a very quick (and could be a classed as a dehumanised) way of killing someone as @LinekersLegs mentioned above if these people are forced to use other methods chances are the other person has more scope for defence and the length of time increases to be talked down/or for the rage to subside.

This doesn't even account for the horrific numbers of accidental deaths where children have found loaded weapons etc. That alone is worth banning, however that is unlikely to happen and therefore strict rules need to be brought in place to control who get a gun. The 2nd amendment should be ripped up and replaced with the right not have a bullet hole in you.