neil999
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But doesn't this mean anyone with mental health issues is likely to be killed by the police, it just doesn't seem to be last resort
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The only reason I'd be firing was to protect my own life.
Therefore, I'd protect my own life as thoroughly as possible in that scenario, which means discharging every bullet in that gun.
I have no need whatsoever of any soul searching for having that view.
Which is why the US has a massive problem with guns. It doesn't mean the incident was racist, which was the automatic insinuation.
I didn’t see the guy in that video aiming a gun at, or threatening the officers life though.
Put bluntly that makes me seriously hope you aren’t a police officer.
He reaches into his car after ignoring police orders. He could have turned and fired a gun under his car seat in 2 seconds.
How you can't see that is beyond me.
So you shoot seven times anyone who ignores police orders on the assumption they will have a gun and will shoot it? That is a ridiculously low standard for “use of lethal force”, especially when, as in this case, there are kids around
BirkenheadBlue
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That’s a hell of a threshold for capital punishment
tsubaki
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that is a definition of self-defence that applies to no-one else though, and it leads to absurd situations like that and like the one that lead to Breonna Taylor's death
No you shoot someone seven times when they ignore police orders and reach for something out of sight, in a country dominated by private citizens owning guns.
I don't get why this is hard to understand.
neil999
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Also...Lethal force should be the last poss option..
neil999
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this is why why we need the context of what was happening, did the police believe the suspect was going to have a go at getting a gun to shoot at them when he knew he would be killed(3 officers with guns)
You have all the context you need. Police pull gun, ask for compliance, guy ignores, walks to drivers door and leans in for something.
Inevitably and correctly gets shot.
If he complied and didn't do something stupid, he doesn't get shot. For me, the blame is 100% him. It doesn't matter if he was the nicest guy in the world prior to all the above occurring; once he decides to do what he did the consequences were all on him.
The context is its a nation of gun toting loons. Put your self in the shoes of the cop and ask yourself, if you have a suspect ignoring orders and reaching for something, would you risk a bullet in the head and not going home to see your kids, or would you take the action that means you definitely can do that.
For me, it's the latter. Every time.
It was. You're taking 2 seconds to make a call between potentially saving your own life and not.
If a gun was found in that car under the drivers seat, what would your reaction be to this? Changed right? Well, the cop had no clue whether there was or not, and that's the whole point - why should he take that chance.
Definitely not proportionate that. Cant see any justification for what they did.
I think they were well within their rights to bundle him to the ground and restrain him, or use a baton or whatever when he ignored them and headed to the car. But to shoot that many times is just callous and completely unacceptable.
I just dont understand these things in America.
I think they were well within their rights to bundle him to the ground and restrain him, or use a baton or whatever when he ignored them and headed to the car. But to shoot that many times is just callous and completely unacceptable.
I just dont understand these things in America.
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