Blues Harp
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Might be an idea to actually do some research...Columbine was NOT the start of mass shootings in the USA.....they were rife before then, and certainly not "unheard of"
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I'm not sure the media love shootings, I'm not sure anyone loves shootings.
It's easy to blame the media for everything and yea, they're probably partly to blame
but the issue is the arms industry, and the continued lack of legislation that gun industry lobbyists keep from being passed.
as for everyone being the winner except the victims,
that's not necessarily true either.
We live in a society that lives on edge, a road rage incident that ends in a middle finger anywhere else can easily end in a shooting here.
We have a police system that a huge amount dont trust because of their overzealous approach. Their approach is thanks in part to the amount of guns in private ownership.
We have to live with the anxiety of sending our kids to schools where emergency shooter drills are common.
We have to assess if we can send our kids on a play date based on whether the parent is a responsible gun owner.
There's a ton more reasons why everyone is not a winner.
The only people to win are gun enthusiasts and shareholders.
TN Toffee
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List of school shootings in the United States (before 2000) - Wikipedia
This is obviously a LOOONG list, but there are only a handful of “mass” school shootings prior to Columbine. I think there is at least an element of the media creating an environment that helps to perpetuate the violence, but they were definitely happening prior to the 24/7 news culture.
Blues Harp
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Thanks for that...pretty scary. The poster to whom I replied only mentioned "mass shootings", not specifically school ones....as you say the former were happenning way before ColumbineList of school shootings in the United States (before 2000) - Wikipedia
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This is obviously a LOOONG list, but there are only a handful of “mass” school shootings prior to Columbine. I think there is at least an element of the media creating an environment that helps to perpetuate the violence, but they were definitely happening prior to the 24/7 news culture.
Tir Eoghain Blue
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Unfortunately the founding fathers had good intentions when they initially added the second amendment for affording citizens the right to bear arms.
There are definitely way to many guns out there. However I have no idea how they would implement a scale back, as only law abiding folks would abide by any changes and there would not be a decrease in gun crime.
There are definitely way to many guns out there. However I have no idea how they would implement a scale back, as only law abiding folks would abide by any changes and there would not be a decrease in gun crime.
I think that's the sort of unquantifiable statement America needs to hear. Keeping the complete lack of restrictions they already have in place should hopefully ease the amount of guns and shootings over time
You scale back by limiting the amount/type of guns for sale.
You limit the amount of ammo that can be sold.
You register every weapon.
You have a buy back program where no questions are asked.
You bar anyone with any sort of record or diagnosed mental health issue from owning a gun
You deescalate armed police in society and schools.
You ban the private sale of guns.
You could even make insurance mandatory for gun owners.
You crack down on interstate travel with guns.
Put strict training in place for gun ownership.
Have inspections to see that guns and ammo are stored properly
You introduce laws that restrict your right to own a gun if you have stored or used one irresponsibly.
This still means that anyone who is of sound mind with no criminal background can own a gun.
There is still an issue with illegal guns (a buy back might help)
But the list above would drastically reduce suicide by gun and mass shootings.
It would also reduce the prevalence of guns in society and start rolling back gun culture without infringing on 2A rights.
Chicago police seized over 10,000 guns last year. That's one city. You think limiting the supply of new ones legally being sold wouldn't reduce that?
You think there's a warehouse of illegal guns that crims can visit when they need one?
It wouldn't be immediate, but over time the amount of illegal guns in circulation would decrease and, logically, gun crime would also decrease
TN Toffee
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All good ideas, but I’ll add a couple things to the two bolded points.
In addition to simply limiting the amount of ammo that can be bought/sold, limiting magazine capacity would make a huge difference in law enforcement to de-escalate active shooter situations. There’s simply no common sense reason an law abiding citizen needs to fire 20+ rounds without having to reload.
Beyond simply introducing laws restricting irresponsible owners from continuing to possess firearms, I think it would be beneficial to start prosecuting people for criminal negligence when their weapons are used in committing crimes such as this that happened not far from me a few years ago...
Boy in Tennessee sentenced in shotgun murder of girl, 8 - CNN
An 11-year-old boy will spend eight years in juvenile prison for murdering 8-year-old MaKayla Dyer with a shotgun after she refused to let him play with her puppy, according to a sentencing document.
www.cnn.com
ForeverBlue92
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No they were not.
A mass shooting in the definition of the term was actually quite rare pre Columbine, outside of a mass shooting in a fast food place in the 90's and the uni of texas shooting in the 60's most shootings were disgruntled kids/workers killing 1 or 2 they had greivances with - not mass murder of 20+ randomers in the pursuit of infamy.
what's the definition of the term?
Blues Harp
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Blues Harp
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ForeverBlue92
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Cant remember but it isnt some bloke shooting dead 1-2 people.
Whilst still bad the whole gun debate is largely centred on mass shootings like Columbine, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, Fort Hood, Las Vegas etc.
All committed in the age of social media where the shooters are given instant recognition and fame.
The media over there gives these nutters exactly what they want.
ForeverBlue92
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List of mass shootings in the United States - Wikipedia
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This do for you?
You've just proven my point.
Pre Columbine most shooting instances were gun crimes involving perpetrators who often had grievances with the victims outside of a hand full of instances with no copy cat crimes.
Compare that post Columbine and its apple's and oranges.
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