Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[dandydan]

No chance, I wouldn't even know where to start.

Your friendly neighbourhood drug dealer is always worth a try.
Anyway a quick Google shows it's illegal to carry guns in Florida boozers which renders the more guns/ban guns argument moot as it was supposedly a gun free zone.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Le Asda lol

 

[DanEFC92]

...I think the right to bare arms is written into the US constitution. The constitution would need amending but if a series of school shootings isn't enough to change things I doubt this will, incredible really.

2nd amendment is exactly that - an amendment. It can be changed.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

174th shooting this year, 13th this month.

Pathetic from America to refuse to act

http://massshootingtracker.org/data

 

[LinekersLegs]

You statement is being a little light on the true number of gun deaths. The news only reports the ones involving multiple deaths or famous people but there's about 30 people murdered daily by guns in the US just that they're not newsworthy people

Also guns account for about half the suicides iirc.

Obviously some people are in such a dark place they will just turn to another method but with some of those, like drug overdose for example, there is a chance you might be helped before it is fatal.

Add in the number of people killed/maimed by accidents and the number lost due to gun availability are awfully depressing.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Very depressing. The world is a very dangerous place guns or not. My thoughts are with all the families affected. Senseless.

 

[Seanjd]

Anyway a quick Google shows it's illegal to carry guns in Florida boozers which renders the more guns/ban guns argument moot as it was supposedly a gun free zone.

In a country where you can legally buy guns...

Come on mate, use your brain.

 

[Zezti]

Some Americans even go so far as to refuse the sole purpose of a gun is to fire a projectile in defending their right to bare arms.

The right to bare arms was in place so that the populace could fight against the government if things went bad, right? That might've been a good idea when the government used muskets and horses, but I don't see what good a handgun is going to do against drones, aircraft carriers, high altitude bombers, tanks and cruise missiles.
I used that argument against someone the other day and they seemed to think that if IS/ISIS can do it, so could they if the need arises. That's how far they go to defend their guns -- willing to create parallels between themselves and an organised terrorist group.
Never mind the fact it's IEDs, RPGs and bombs which are IS/ISIS use to strike and not handguns and the occasional hunting rifle.
Never mind the fact that there's no chance at all the need to fight against the government in this day and age.

Jim Jefferies sums it up quite nicely for me:

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Your friendly neighbourhood drug dealer is always worth a try.
Anyway a quick Google shows it's illegal to carry guns in Florida boozers which renders the more guns/ban guns argument moot as it was supposedly a gun free zone.

Are you honest to god serious with that statement?

 

[dandydan]

In a country where you can legally buy guns...

Come on mate, use your brain.

A country which most gun deaths are caused by illegal guns. But daily killings of crack dealers by rivals don't generate headlines.

 

[mezzrow]

Very depressing. The world is a very dangerous place guns or not. My thoughts are with all the families affected. Senseless.

This.

Prayers for the lost, the survivors, their families and loved ones, the first responders, and all who had to live this ordeal.

 

[dandydan]

Are you honest to god serious with that statement?

The law states that you can't take a gun into a bar. Therefore no shooting should have occurred because possessing a gun inside was illegal.
Make guns illegal and you stop killings seems to be the argument.

 

[ianefc]

The law states that you can't take a gun into a bar. Therefore no shooting should have occurred because possessing a gun inside was illegal.
Make guns illegal and you stop killings seems to be the argument.

Crikey. If guns weren't on sale you wouldn't need to have 'Gun free zones' everywhere would be a gun free zone.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

The law states that you can't take a gun into a bar. Therefore no shooting should have occurred because possessing a gun inside was illegal.
Make guns illegal and you stop killings seems to be the argument.

Obviously you don't STOP shootings. But you make them a damned site less commonplace. I am so sick to the back teeth of this "well there'll still be shootings" argument. Like if you can't eliminate all of them then you don't even bother trying.

And your argument that "well it was illegal to carry them there so making guns illegal shouldn't make any difference" is either purposefully obtuse or just genuinely moronic.

Which law do you think is easier for your average common or garden nutjob to violate? BUYING a gun in a society where they aren't for sale in Walmart, or indeed anywhere else legal (i.e they have to find, approach and deal with an illegal arms dealer of some stripe or other) or to wander down a (supposedly) "gun free" road carrying a legally purchased firearm?

There is not ONE realistic argument for having guns available to the general public in this day and age apart from "I like guns"

 

[Seanjd]

The law states that you can't take a gun into a bar. Therefore no shooting should have occurred because possessing a gun inside was illegal.
Make guns illegal and you stop killings seems to be the argument.

Why are there no gun zones?