Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

[Lee Smith]

“What do you mean we can’t go back to our normal lives with no repercussions?”

 

[Tin-Tin]

I’ve posted several other things about this Representative, but she just keeps doing everything wrong. These two tweets were sent mid-riot. How could she possibly think disclosing information about what security was doing and where Congresspeople were (or weren’t) in real time was acceptable?

Maybe because she was playing her part.

1st tweet tells the terrorists where they are being held (dont forget they all had maps)
2nd tweet she's telling them that Pelosi is somewhere else.

Her phone/laptop etc should be removed and looked at

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[TN Toffee]

I mean, this perfectly sums up the disconnect. When there’s QAnon conspiracy theorists storming the Capitol, people still refusing to accept a now certified election, and continue to falsely allege fraud despite no credible evidence, and 5 dozen law suits on the subject all having been thrown out due to lack of evidence, and those people then accuse the ‘other side’ of believing ‘endless conspiracies‘

Where do you go then, how can you possibly have a reasoned discussion? This is where alternative facts leads us.

Exactly. Productive discourse is effectively impossible when I’m arguing that Trump and other Republicans shouldn’t be in power because of their health care and taxation policies with someone who believes Democrats shouldn’t be in power because they are cannibalistic pedophiles.

 

[TN Toffee]

 

[LinekersLegs]

That mob had already beaten down two series of perimeter fencing further away from the Capitol building and injured police. That would have been known to the police whose actions you see early in that video. And that line of Capitol police you see in the video had already been let down by their commanding officers by not ensuring that they'd be supplemented by DC Police. In short: it was desperate policing but entirely commensurate with the threat.

As for arresting a few score clowns down the food chain of this coup: it's way off being a proportionate response. I think I can say with certainty that if that had happened in any major European state - armed takeover of parliamants/senates and multiple fatalities ensuing - then the perpetrators feet wouldn't touch the ground. In the next 48 hours there'd have been thousands in prisons lifted on intelligence and (engineered) shoot outs and killings of the hard core of militiamen attempting to overthrow government. That hasn't happened in the US and I cant understand why. The nature of the threat to your democracy is dire: fail to hammer these fascist insurrectionists at every level and they'll come back stronger and overwhelm your nation.

Extra judicial killings are wrong, I don’t care who the target is and I don’t believe it is the only way to reduce the threat.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[tsubaki]

Extra judicial killings are wrong, I don’t care who the target is and I don’t believe it is the only way to reduce the threat.

this, plus of course even when these types are confronted with force (Koresh, the Weavers) they end up being goldmines in exploitation terms.

 

[LinekersLegs]

How dare people think she doesn’t care

Photos L-R: Zara, AP/Andrew

 

[TN Toffee]

 

[LinekersLegs]

Long but interesting thread

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

Hope they get some counseling and help

 

[davek]

Extra judicial killings are wrong, I don’t care who the target is and I don’t believe it is the only way to reduce the threat.

I still dont think you appreciate the level of threat against your way of life here. It's existential. The ring leaders of that coup should be tried and found guilty and face multiple life sentences...and think themselves lucky. Anyone resisting arrest should be executed.

I know this is all too easy for someone to state on a forum, but from everything we know of fascism (and that's what this coup attempt was - a fascist paramilitary attempt under the cover of "protest" to ensure a democratic election was overthrown) it will never be repelled solely by judicial means. There has to be a commitment by the state to use any means necessary to put their threat down. Those insurrectionists should be getting the full force of the state in all its guises (overt and covert) thrown at them.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I still dont think you appreciate the level of threat against your way of life here. It's existential. The ring leaders of that coup should be tried and found guilty and face multiple life sentences...and think themselves lucky. Anyone resisting arrest should be executed.

I know this is all too easy for someone to state on a forum, but from everything we know of fascism (and that's what this coup attempt was - a fascist paramilitary attempt under the cover of "protest" to ensure a democratic election was overthrown) it will never be repelled solely by judicial means. There has to be a commitment by the state to use any means necessary to put their threat down. Those insurrectionists should be getting the full force of the state in all its guises (overt and covert) thrown at them.

I believe I do see the level of threat - I just don’t think that “do what the fascists would do to stop being overrun by fascists” is a particularly good argument.