Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

[riddick]

Think of it this way.

A car going from 0-100mph in 10 seconds isn't going to be able to hit the breaks when it reaches it's destination and could slam into a wall. That's akin to "swinging the dial" too far at once.

If a car goes at a steady pace instead, it can arrive and park safely without hitting that wall.

My point is if you tried to take the whole lot right now, right away, you "hit that brick wall", because you encourage the rise of what led to Trump in the first place and it risks repeating history in 4-8 years. If you take 8 years to wash away Trumpism, you do it properly and sustainably.

If that makes me "mad", so be it. But yes, I fully believe what I'm saying here is sensible, because it takes into account what has happened and, critically, is an attempt to ensure it doesn't happen again. Trump just got one of the highest levels of electoral vote ever; that base isn't going to go away easily, it needs to be gradually eroded.

You completely ignored my last post tho. The Paris accords are too extreme for them. Lessening dependencies on fossil fuels and investing in renewable energies is too extreme. Asking for people to be treated fairly under the same laws is too extreme for them. We should be afraid to either get back in to these things or try to help more people because it's too much too fast for them? That's insane.

Your idea that "you need to take things slow" is sound when it's a radical idea. Not when it's simply trying to get back to where you bloody were 4 years ago.

 

[dead_soft]

Think of it this way.

A car going from 0-100mph in 10 seconds isn't going to be able to hit the breaks when it reaches it's destination and could slam into a wall. That's akin to "swinging the dial" too far at once.

If a car goes at a steady pace instead, it can arrive and park safely without hitting that wall.

My point is if you tried to take the whole lot right now, right away, you "hit that brick wall", because you encourage the rise of what led to Trump in the first place and it risks repeating history in 4-8 years. If you take 8 years to wash away Trumpism, you do it properly and sustainably.

If that makes me "mad", so be it. But yes, I fully believe what I'm saying here is sensible, because it takes into account what has happened and, critically, is an attempt to ensure it doesn't happen again. Trump just got one of the highest levels of electoral vote ever; that base isn't going to go away easily, it needs to be gradually eroded.

The analogy doesn’t really make sense, so I’m not sure where to begin with it

 

[Blue 1]

Think of it this way.

A car going from 0-100mph in 10 seconds isn't going to be able to hit the breaks when it reaches it's destination and could slam into a wall. That's akin to "swinging the dial" too far at once.

If a car goes at a steady pace instead, it can arrive and park safely without hitting that wall.

My point is if you tried to take the whole lot right now, right away, you "hit that brick wall", because you encourage the rise of what led to Trump in the first place and it risks repeating history in 4-8 years. If you take 8 years to wash away Trumpism, you do it properly and sustainably.

If that makes me "mad", so be it. But yes, I fully believe what I'm saying here is sensible, because it takes into account what has happened and, critically, is an attempt to ensure it doesn't happen again. Trump just got one of the highest levels of electoral vote ever; that base isn't going to go away easily, it needs to be gradually eroded.

Clumsy analogy, but I understand what you're getting at, that change should be incremental, but I'm not sure that's the right call here, and I think you're wrong to frame a return to the centre as "extremism".

 

[dead_soft]

Do love it when @dead_soft and @Tubey have a current affairs battle.
I’m on team @dead_soft btw. Although I do admire Tubey’s steadfast refusal to buckle.
Reminds me of Ali vs Frazier

I think it’s more akin to Stuart Barlow v Per Koldrup on a one on one

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Rook]

I can easily see now a mass based 'Patriot' (fascist) Party taking root in mainstream American politics. A political party needs a base, and any such party would have it to exploit. The Republicans will be the loser in that formation, at least in the short term. I know that Covid19 plays a huge part in all this, but the seeds of a fascist party have been growing for years before the virus and it isn't going to go away, unfortunately. And I dont think the will is there amongst American mainstream politics (liberals and conservative Republicans) to do what needs to be done: deny fascists a, criminalise them, lock them up and / or eliminate them if they kick off with armed insurrection with some neu Freikorps BS militia.

You cant live in the same space as these creatures. They have to be dealt with, or they'll deal with you - mercilessly.

its a very large country, I'm less than an hour from the capitol and for all intensive purposes its a different world I inhabit and so far away. Its easy to pretend to seperate yourself from all this.

Doesn't mean you can't seriously put a dent what's going on here. Various state capitals were stormed w/ cosplayers armed to the teeth as a trial run, no concequences/arrests. So naturally they were assured they would get away w/ it. Well idiots from all over the country participated in this. Arrest them, News 4 Bismark, North Dakota's Most Trusted News Service!, will surely run BREAKING: local man arrested for ransacking the US capitol as the headline. Put these chuckle$%#@ on trial, see what blubbering cowardly blame-deflecting man-babies they become when they are facing 10 years. See the pain these people have caused their "good" god-fearing MAGA famblys on News 4. Put a local face on their fascism.

This is more important than just taking out Trump (even tho Trump should be impeached) or rounding up a couple sacrificial tokens (bad actors).

 

[Prevenger17]

Do love it when @dead_soft and @Tubey have a current affairs battle.
I’m on team @dead_soft btw. Although I do admire Tubey’s steadfast refusal to buckle.
Reminds me of Ali vs Frazier

Real clash of styles. Dead soft lays it on a bit thick sometimes, but he picks a lane and smashes down it at 200mph. Tubey's fluid musings are so twisting and circuitous, his posts are at risk of collapsing in on themselves, but just about hold each time. They're like a hypercube; uncomprehendingly complex and nice to look at for a few seconds, but with no particular application in a 3 dimensional world.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Middle of next week, when he's going the week after. All after the horse has bolted this.

Yeah needs to happen quickly but I think he can be impeached even after he is out of office and a conviction means he cant run again. Im thinking thats the aim rather than just kicking him out early.

 

[RAFUH]

Bet there were a lot too.

The shocking part of this is that it is not shocking

 

[RAFUH]

There's a lot of ginger angst in that video.

Hey now...
That particular bat-crap crazy has nothing to do with being ginger.

 

[RAFUH]

Tubey would never do such a thing

Completely agree, Prev. He'd particularly never do it for the purposes of a wind up




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[BlueTX]

 

[davek]

its a very large country, I'm less than an hour from the capitol and for all intensive purposes its a different world I inhabit and so far away. Its easy to pretend to seperate yourself from all this.

Doesn't mean you can't seriously put a dent what's going on here. Various state capitals were stormed w/ cosplayers armed to the teeth as a trial run, no concequences/arrests. So naturally they were assured they would get away w/ it. Well idiots from all over the country participated in this. Arrest them, News 4 Bismark, North Dakota's Most Trusted News Service!, will surely run BREAKING: local man arrested for ransacking the US capitol as the headline. Put these chuckle$%#@ on trial, see what blubbering cowardly blame-deflecting man-babies they become when they are facing 10 years. See the pain these people have caused their "good" god-fearing MAGA famblys on News 4. Put a local face on their fascism.

This is more important than just taking out Trump (even tho Trump should be impeached) or rounding up a couple sacrificial tokens (bad actors).

Spot on.

I'm sure there's a belief that things should be calmed down - to avoid inflaming the situation - but that is the very worst thing to do when dealing with a committed and organised fascist movement (which is what this lot are when you knit up all the various strands of it). They'll eventually coalesce around an independent political party unattached from the mainstream. They've used the Republican Party to grow within, and soon they'll break out of it to create a new organisation.

It's now or never. Smash them completely. Use their insurrection as the justification to do that. And that means drilling down to the grassroots, as you allude to.

I doubt the fortitude of mainstream American politicians and the judiciary to do that, unfortunately. They'll look for quietism. And that will be fatal.

 

[carolinablue232]

The destruction of statues went wildly beyond anything that was acceptable, and mob mentality definitely took over for a period of time and it seemed like any and all statues were being defaced simply because they were statues.

However, across many parts of the US there are statues and monuments to men who literally committed treason against the country, and fought to keep black people enslaved. For decades people have tried to go through appropriate channels to have them removed, but backwards politicians who fear the wrath of the racist element of their constituency refused to do anything. I just can’t equate someone defacing a statue of Nathan Bedford Forest with someone breaking down out windows to get into the Capitol while Congress is in session.

You’re spot on here. I think he was just using statues as an example for the mob mentality you’ve referenced initially. Nothing reached the level of the capital attack before but buildings were broken into, windows smashed, and yes political buildings were vandalized across the country. None of that is the same level but also not acceptable IMO.

 

[LinekersLegs]