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[Tubey]

If you justify or make allowances for criminal activity for any protest, no matter how just the cause - you set a precedent.

The reason why is simple. The people protesting always believe their cause is just.

Criminal damage/assault etc no matter for what the cause is never acceptable and it shouldn't ever be excused, or allowances made.

Spot on. Tried to explain this the other day.

Same with the tactic of saying "oh it wasn't us" when things go wrong. BLM protests were not "non-violent", and claiming they were allows things like the other day to happen with the proviso of "largely non-violent" too.

Thus there's no accountability. This, again, isn't false equivalency, as obviously one was grander in scale than the other, but as you say one sets the precedent for the other, and one antagonises the other.

There's no such thing as a "good" riot.

 

[ste d' indica]

Spot on. Tried to explain this the other day.

Same with the tactic of saying "oh it wasn't us" when things go wrong. BLM protests were not "non-violent", and claiming they were allows things like the other day to happen with the proviso of "largely non-violent" too.

Thus there's no accountability. This, again, isn't false equivalency, as obviously one was grander in scale than the other, but as you say one sets the precedent for the other, and one antagonises the other.

There's no such thing as a "good" riot.

Unless Hibbo scores obviously.

 

[LostLegend]

 

[Tubey]

Unless Hibbo scores obviously.

Well obviously haha

You had people on here defending defacing and destroying statues, and yet those very same people will condemn smashing up the Capitol. The reality is they are one and the same thing, just in varying degrees of severity, because the overall message is that it's OK to destroy things when you disagree with them.

 

[davek]

There's a lot of ginger angst in that video.

 

[davek]

When is "Enough, is enough, is enough" going to be translated into action?

By now the cells should be bursting with collared fascist group members, and law and order organisations should be up and down that country kicking doors down and interning the organisers of that planned putsch.

 

[TN Toffee]

When is "Enough, is enough, is enough" going to be translated into action?

By now the cells should be bursting with collared fascist group members, and law and order organisations should be up and down that country kicking doors down and interning the organisers of that planned putsch.

I don’t really understand the mindset that it should just be the leaders and organizers. Did a fundamental lack of planning, and in some cases what is looking like outright complicity from police embolden and enable everyone? Sure it did. Still, anyone with a room temperature IQ knows that breaking into the the seat of the United States government is unacceptable, and deserves to be prosecuted.

 

[trueblue84]

There's a lot of ginger angst in that video.

Funny seeing him carry a Hitler youth knife. He's a ginger. Does he not understand what the Nazis would've done to him?

 

[Blue 1]

Well obviously haha

You had people on here defending defacing and destroying statues, and yet those very same people will condemn smashing up the Capitol. The reality is they are one and the same thing, just in varying degrees of severity, because the overall message is that it's OK to destroy things when you disagree with them.

People are condemning the lunatics who broke into the Capitol building for committing open acts of sedition and trying to stop the democratic process, not for destruction of property.

I think you're drawing a false equivalence.

 

[Prevenger17]

I think you're drawing a false equivalence.

Tubey would never do such a thing

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[TN Toffee]

Well obviously haha

You had people on here defending defacing and destroying statues, and yet those very same people will condemn smashing up the Capitol. The reality is they are one and the same thing, just in varying degrees of severity, because the overall message is that it's OK to destroy things when you disagree with them.

The destruction of statues went wildly beyond anything that was acceptable, and mob mentality definitely took over for a period of time and it seemed like any and all statues were being defaced simply because they were statues.

However, across many parts of the US there are statues and monuments to men who literally committed treason against the country, and fought to keep black people enslaved. For decades people have tried to go through appropriate channels to have them removed, but backwards politicians who fear the wrath of the racist element of their constituency refused to do anything. I just can’t equate someone defacing a statue of Nathan Bedford Forest with someone breaking down out windows to get into the Capitol while Congress is in session.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Crying at this reply to that video lol

 

[Tubey]

The destruction of statues went wildly beyond anything that was acceptable, and mob mentality definitely took over for a period of time and it seemed like any and all statues were being defaced simply because they were statues.

However, across many parts of the US there are statues and monuments to men who literally committed treason against the country, and fought to keep black people enslaved. For decades people have tried to go through appropriate channels to have them removed, but backwards politicians who fear the wrath of the racist element of their constituency refused to do anything. I just can’t equate someone defacing a statue of Nathan Bedford Forest with someone breaking down out windows to get into the Capitol while Congress is in session.

My point is one leads to the other. It doesn't matter if legit channels hadn't work, you don't celebrate vandalism, as you then endorse other acts by doing so.

I'm not drawing an equivalence between the two - I'm simply explaining how celebrating one act go violence means you are complicit in encouraging the other.

Again, there's no such thing as a "good" riot, regardless of motivation.

 

[davek]

I don’t really understand the mindset that it should just be the leaders and organizers. Did a fundamental lack of planning, and in some cases what is looking like outright complicity from police embolden and enable everyone? Sure it did. Still, anyone with a room temperature IQ knows that breaking into the the seat of the United States government is unacceptable, and deserves to be prosecuted.

Wherever this coup took its lead and succour from it needs to be rooted out with lightening speed and dealt with by handing down heavy sentences. Any armed resistance should be put down with maximum force.

And Trump cant be allowed to see his days out as president. It'd be a calamity if he weren't at least impeached between now and inauguration day. Then the Biden administration needs to make sure he's imprisoned. I've argued that since the election, and this week has underlined I was right for seeing it that way.