Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

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Trump has stated that he doesn't care about undecideds. He doesn't care about anyone. He only cares about his base.

How do you even debate someone that's base is racism and Qanon bullshit?
But Biden does care about undecideds and to the limited extent that there are some watching the debate if Trump chooses the same tactics he won’t gain any ground with them whereas Biden might, especially if Trump tries his talking over rudeness to one of the audience members. I agree that it will be an unedifying spectacle but still think it better than cancelling the debates altogether.
 
But Biden does care about undecideds and to the limited extent that there are some watching the debate if Trump chooses the same tactics he won’t gain any ground with them whereas Biden might, especially if Trump tries his talking over rudeness to one of the audience members. I agree that it will be an unedifying spectacle but still think it better than cancelling the debates altogether.
Genuinely. I'm not even trying to be hyperbolic, how the ever loving hell could you possibly be undecided after the last 4 years?
 
38 Senators voted against NAFTA - only 10 were Republicans. 132 GOP Representatives voted for NAFTA, 43 against. 156 Dems voted against. The Agreement was negotiated by a GOP POTUS during a time the GOP was in favor of free trade.

People remember what they want. But facts do matter.

I take issue with the stuff regarding NAFTA and who is traditionally a friend of the working class. They fail to state who started NAFTA (Reagan, Bush), who voted for it (more Republican Senators and House members than Democrats), as well as who had crushed the working-class unions (Reagan, beginning with air traffic controllers), and who has implemented more policies against the working class (Republicans). I guess I always find it funny that conservatives pretend to care about the working class...but only during elections when they can play the tired old game of "coastal elites." What is different about this past election is how Trump did better against working class whites than with rich whites. But this seems mostly to do with rabble-rousing, fear-mongering, and preying on insecurities, financial instability, pain, and what Clinton was (wrongly) going to do when in office (e.g., shut down coal mines, shift American jobs overseas, etc.). Scapegoating is so easy to do. Just look at how many self-proclaimed progressives are turning on their fellow progressives for ostensibly not recognizing Biden's flaws or poor Democratic strategizing.

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And, once again, I am explaining why they do not appear substantively different to the nearly 50% of the country which does not vote.

If I had a Dollar for every time you, @Prevenger17 or anyone else willfully misread this, I could skip work altogether instead of just for five minutes at a time.

Thank you for your generous contributions to the ^fund^. Given the @ Bruce-Wayneification of the world economy it is probably growing faster these days than my pension!

I have no doubt that the voters featured in the article have a dimmer understanding of the intricacies of NAFTA than @BlueTX's hasty Wikipedia search - but it doesn't matter. They still vote. They might even be willing to vote Democrat in 2020 - but the Party is once again doing a terrible job of addressing their concerns.

And I am not 'turning on my fellow progressives' lol! You boys are hilarious - straight out of Mean Girls. I literally just posted, without commentary, an article which offers interesting insight into the voters that Democrats are ostensibly courting, and how they can do much better - and the usual suspects had an immediate meltdown and threw their toys out of the pram yet again because they sensed it breeched the echo chamber they've worked so hard to maintain in here.

We know the Dems are corporate sellouts.
We know Biden is a moderate.
We know he's not as progressive as they are saying he will be.
Most of us would have preferred Sanders or Warren.
BUT HE'S NOT DONALD TRUMP

There, there, you have all made it very clear, literally tens of thousands of times since 2016, how self-evident you think your virtues are. But it really isn't me you need to persuade; I would sigh heavily and vote for General Secretary Chernenko just like the rest of you.

I sincerely hope those merry few staffing Joe Biden's non-existent ground game have come up with something more concrete and much less self-righteous than this to offer.

Instead of sticking both fingers in my ears and shrieking 'BUT DONALD TRUMP IS EVIL' for the one-hundred millionth time, I would be trying to understand why it is that the Democrats are arguably only competitive against unambiguously the worst President since Harding - a boorish, lazy, corrupt, incoherent and catastrophically incompetent lout - because of Covid 19, and even now remain well within the margin of blowing it again. It's as though the the struggling working-class voters in the article I posted, whose interests Democrats take as an article of faith that they better represent, are largely indifferent to a campaign promising that 'nothing fundamentally will change' but if you don't vote for us, you're a racist.

Otherwise, it is a steep and slippery slope from when Treasury and Commerce Secretaries Jamie Dimon and Larry Summers announce in January that 'Surprise! The Pantry's Bare', to President Tucker Carlson sweeping to an unprecedented victory in 2024 by combining a left-wing economic agenda that Democrat donors would never allow with much more successful appeals to the Pennsylvania voters' justified concerns, few remaining sources of pride, and well-earned contempt for the professional middle class which despises them.

And then the lights go out forever.

You can tell how frivolous and indifferent urban liberals are to winning power and transforming the country, when their response to the very struggling shít-town working-class voters whose interests they insist they represent is denigrating them and running to Wikipedia to refute them, rather than listening and attempting to persuade them.
 
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Thank you for your generous contributions to the ^fund^. Given the @ Bruce-Wayneification of the world economy it is probably growing faster these days than my pension!

I have no doubt that the voters featured in the article have a dimmer understanding of the intricacies of NAFTA than @BlueTX's hasty Wikipedia search - but it doesn't matter. They still vote. They might even be willing to vote Democrat in 2020 - but the Party is once again doing a terrible job of addressing their concerns.

And I am not 'turning on my fellow progressives' lol! You boys are hilarious - straight out of Mean Girls. I literally just posted, without commentary, an article which offers interesting insight into the voters that Democrats are ostensibly courting, and how they can do much better - and the usual suspects had an immediate meltdown and threw their toys out of the pram yet again because they sensed it breeched the echo chamber they've worked so hard to maintain in here.



There, there, you have all made it very clear, literally tens of thousands of times since 2016, how self-evident you think your virtues are. But it really isn't me you need to persuade; I would sigh heavily and vote for General Secretary Chernenko just like the rest of you.

I sincerely hope those merry few staffing Joe Biden's non-existent ground game have come up with something more concrete and much less self-righteous than this to offer.

Instead of sticking both fingers in my ears and shrieking 'BUT DONALD TRUMP IS EVIL' for the one-hundred millionth time, I would be trying to understand why it is that the Democrats are arguably only competitive against unambiguously the worst President since Harding - a boorish, lazy, corrupt, incoherent and catastrophically incompetent lout - because of Covid 19, and even now remain well within the margin of blowing it again. It's as though the the struggling working-class voters in the article I posted, whose interests Democrats take as an article of faith that they better represent, are largely indifferent to a campaign promising that 'nothing fundamentally will change' but if you don't vote for us, you're a racist.

Otherwise, it is a steep and slippery slope from when Treasury and Commerce Secretaries Jamie Dimon and Larry Summers announce in January that 'Surprise! The Pantry's Bare', to President Tucker Carlson sweeping to an unprecedented victory in 2024 by combining a left-wing economic agenda that Democrat donors would never allow with much more successful appeals to the Pennsylvania voters' justified concerns, few remaining sources of pride, and well-earned contempt for the professional middle class which despises them.

And then the lights go out forever.

You can tell how frivolous and indifferent urban liberals are to winning power and transforming the country, when their response to the very struggling shít-town working-class voters whose interests they insist they represent is denigrating them and running to Wikipedia to refute them, rather than listening and attempting to persuade them.
This is hysterical.

I was responding to you, specifically. Unlike you, I speak with rural Texans almost daily. I am from them. While I may disagree on policy, I do not despise.
 
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