Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

[BirkenheadBlue]

Hence, vault me when the bill is tabled, not passed.

I mean which part, because there's no possibility that all of that would be in one bill...

Where did you read that? There are obviously minor differences, but not enough that either party can plausibly deny that it primarily represents the rich; not enough to prompt anyone who doesn't normally vote to pay attention; and not enough to actually address any of the terminal problems the United States is facing.

"Minor" differences, like raising taxes for the rich vs lowering them.... increasing the minimum wage vs not....

Barely noticeable really.

 

[abelard]

I mean which part, because there's no possibility that all of that would be in one bill...



"Minor" differences, like raising taxes for the rich vs lowering them.... increasing the minimum wage vs not....

Barely noticeable really.

'just an exercise to keep the Warren people happy"

See, it's working!

 

[WA Toffee]

He needs to be angry, but on behalf of the country rather than himself. Trump will try to get him riled up with attacks on his family etc (you know, like any sensible leader would) - he needs to brush that off and pummel Trump on his actual performance.

I think I would like him to take on his "sleepy Joe" persona and start snoring whenever trump speaks. Either that, or just keep repeating "can I get a fact check on that please" every time donald tells a lie

 

[tsubaki]

I think I would like him to take on his "sleepy Joe" persona and start snoring whenever trump speaks. Either that, or just keep repeating "can I get a fact check on that please" every time donald tells a lie

Punching him in the chops and making him cry would also work.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

'just an exercise to keep the Warren people happy"

See, it's working!

And of course (assuming that quote was actually accurate) there’s no possibility it was “an exercise to keep the Wall Street people happy”

Anyway, need to do some work. Enjoy your “both sides are as bad as each other” world

 

[tsubaki]

And of course (assuming that quote was actually accurate) there’s no possibility it was “an exercise to keep the Wall Street people happy”

Anyway, need to do some work. Enjoy your “both sides are as bad as each other” world

@abelard does have a point though - yes, Trump needs to be removed and yes it’s daft to think the GOP have any parallels in the scum stakes but if the Dems think they can, after winning, go back to well remunerated Goldmans talks, sub-West Wing political hype and not fixing the problems the country has then they’ll deserve 2024

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

@abelard does have a point though - yes, Trump needs to be removed and yes it’s daft to think the GOP have any parallels in the scum stakes but if the Dems think they can, after winning, go back to well remunerated Goldmans talks, sub-West Wing political hype and not fixing the problems the country has then they’ll deserve 2024

Oh kicking Trump out is only the start of the work. But it’s inane to imply that there’s little to no difference between the two parties.

 

[abelard]

But it’s inane to imply that there’s little to no difference between the two parties.

And, once again, I am explaining why they do not appear substantively different to the nearly 50% of the country which does not vote.

If I had a Dollar for every time you, @Prevenger17 or anyone else willfully misread this, I could skip work altogether instead of just for five minutes at a time.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

And, once again, I am explaining why they do not appear substantively different to the nearly 50% of the country which does not vote.

If I had a Dollar for every time you, @Prevenger17 or anyone else willfully misread this, I could skip work altogether instead of just for five minutes at a time.

It’s hard to appear anything to people who don’t pay any attention (that 50% are measurably less engaged with politics and other current events)

But aside from that, “a lack of difference” is far far FAR from the only reason people don’t vote in the US.

 

[abelard]

Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens

Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens | Perspectives on Politics | Cambridge Core

Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens - Volume 12 Issue 3

www.cambridge.org

Abstract
Each of four theoretical traditions in the study of American politics—which can be characterized as theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy, Economic-Elite Domination, and two types of interest-group pluralism, Majoritarian Pluralism and Biased Pluralism—offers different predictions about which sets of actors have how much influence over public policy: average citizens; economic elites; and organized interest groups, mass-based or business-oriented.

A great deal of empirical research speaks to the policy influence of one or another set of actors, but until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions against each other within a single statistical model. We report on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues.

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens

Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens | Perspectives on Politics | Cambridge Core

Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens - Volume 12 Issue 3

www.cambridge.org

Abstract
Each of four theoretical traditions in the study of American politics—which can be characterized as theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy, Economic-Elite Domination, and two types of interest-group pluralism, Majoritarian Pluralism and Biased Pluralism—offers different predictions about which sets of actors have how much influence over public policy: average citizens; economic elites; and organized interest groups, mass-based or business-oriented.

A great deal of empirical research speaks to the policy influence of one or another set of actors, but until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions against each other within a single statistical model. We report on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues.

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.

Part 2 of that study indicated that yes, water is in fact wet.

 

[abelard]

Part 2 of that study indicated that yes, water is in fact wet.

Strange of you to get so flustered and defensive when I point it out then, isn't it?

It's almost as if the two political parties both represent only the rich...

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Strange of you to get so flustered and defensive when I point it out then, isn't it?

It's almost as if the two political parties both represent only the rich...

"Flustered" lol

 

[Prevenger17]

What the political elites fail to grasp is that Trump was not an anomaly, just the obvious and inevitable last resort of a desperate populous looking for the one thing neither established political party could offer. Change. They crossed the line first. They squeezed them, they hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation, they turned to a man they didn't fully understand.

They understand that Trump is a sex pest, an adulterer, a tax fraud, a serial liar, a man utterly unopposed to turning the weapons of state against his own people, a racist, a dimwit, a clueless oaf who has casually overseen the deaths of 200,00 Americans, but the people see what the real problem is: False liberal outrage and the detached braying of the Democratic party.

Here is a 120 page multivariate analysis by Dr. Karl Lieben-Hoefenstieglensmatter which pulls back the veil on elite virtue performance politics and it's declining impact on the population, a damning read for Bidenistas and the Warrenstapo who don't understand why condemning people who disagree with them as racist has led them to this point, and not the systemic corruption, lobbying, electoral gerrymandering and intense targeted campaigns of misinformation from its own media and Russian cyber-criminals.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/karl-lieben-hoefenstieglensmatter-moral-bankruptcy-of-the-virtue-signalling-left-vote-trump/

 

[degsy]

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What the political elites fail to grasp is that Trump was not an anomaly, just the obvious and inevitable last resort of a desperate populous looking for the one thing neither established political party could offer. Change. They crossed the line first. They squeezed them, they hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation, they turned to a man they didn't fully understand.

They understand that Trump is a sex pest, an adulterer, a tax fraud, a serial liar, a man utterly unopposed to turning the weapons of state against his own people, a racist, a dimwit, a clueless oaf who has casually overseen the deaths of 200,00 Americans, but the people see what the real problem is: False liberal outrage and the detached braying of the Democratic party.

Here is a 120 page multivariate analysis by Dr. Karl Lieben-Hoefenstieglensmatter which pulls back the veil on elite virtue performance politics and it's declining impact on the population, a damning read for Bidenistas and the Warrenstapo who don't understand why condemning people who disagree with them as racist has led them to this point, and not the systemic corruption, lobbying, electoral gerrymandering and intense targeted campaigns of misinformation from its own media and Russian cyber-criminals.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/karl-lieben-hoefenstieglensmatter-moral-bankruptcy-of-the-virtue-signalling-left-vote-trump/

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